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RE: Pence Staged Exit. - GMDino - 10-10-2017 (10-10-2017, 06:55 PM)bfine32 Wrote: I should have said petty words/actions. Thanks for proof reading. Right. Two pages of trying to twist enough words to make make someone agree that something is disrespect but it didn't offend you or make you mad. For the record: It has nothing to do with intent when they have explained it...repeatedly. Unless someone is letting " other people's actions/words shape your sensibilities" to the point that it takes two pages and multiple days to reach a "point". RE: Pence Staged Exit. - bfine32 - 10-10-2017 (10-10-2017, 08:43 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: Opinions about something subjective can't be wrong. When people state opinions about facts, those can be wrong, but something that is subjective isn't an either/or situation, it isn't right or wrong. That is what makes it subjective. The reason people have wrong opinions all of the time is because people like to state opinions as facts, which they are not. Everything in the world can be subjective (based on personal feelings), until it no longer is. If a law is passed (or let's just say an employers mandate) that states failing to stand for the flag while the Anthem is played is disrespectful is your "opinion" on the matter still "subjective"? There is already a directive that states NFL players should stand and place their hand over their heart when the Anthem is played. Am I disrespecting my employer for failing to do so? RE: Pence Staged Exit. - bfine32 - 10-10-2017 (10-10-2017, 08:47 PM)GMDino Wrote: Right. Is there actually anyone left in this forum that gives any weight to your non-constructive, pointless, posts? You spend countless hours in this forum doing nothing more than trying to play gotcha and more often that not failing at it miserably as you have done here. Why you are given free reign in this forum to do nothing more than post pointless memes and try to contradict those you disagree with is beyond me. Of course it was also beyond me when I got a 4 month suspension for inquiring publically on such matters. Maybe...... RE: Pence Staged Exit. - Belsnickel - 10-10-2017 (10-10-2017, 09:07 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Everything in the world can be subjective (based on personal feelings), until it no longer is. If a law is passed (or let's just say an employers mandate) that states failing to stand for the flag while the Anthem is played is disrespectful is your "opinion" on the matter still "subjective"? Yes, your opinion on the matter is still subjective, even with the law. The objective (factual) statement for that would be "according to the law, it is disrespectful to not stand for the flag while the anthem is playing." It does not change the subjectivity of one's personal opinions just because the law states it as such. I don't consider it disrespectful to use an American flag paper plate or to print the flag on a box, but according to the US Flag Code, it is. So objectively, according to the law of the country, it is disrespectful to do so. My subjective opinion is that it is not. Just because an authority presents an opinion does not change the fact that it is an opinion, and opinions are subjective by their nature. For the last bit, that is still subjective. Therefore, it depends. My employer says that I should bike or walk to work instead of driving, but I'm a fatass and prefer to drive because at the end of the day I am too tired to walk home even though I live close enough where walking to work would be no issue. They said I should do something, but I'm not. Am I disrespecting them? RE: Pence Staged Exit. - bfine32 - 10-10-2017 (10-10-2017, 09:17 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: Yes, your opinion on the matter is still subjective, even with the law. The objective (factual) statement for that would be "according to the law, it is disrespectful to not stand for the flag while the anthem is playing." It does not change the subjectivity of one's personal opinions just because the law states it as such. I don't consider it disrespectful to use an American flag paper plate or to print the flag on a box, but according to the US Flag Code, it is. So objectively, according to the law of the country, it is disrespectful to do so. My subjective opinion is not.If you say that opinions cannot be wrong if they are counter to law/mandate; I'll take you at your word. As to your last: Yes, you are failing to respect the wishes of your employer. You may not intend to; however, it does not change the fact that you are disrespecting their wishes. RE: Pence Staged Exit. - GMDino - 10-10-2017 (10-10-2017, 09:13 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Is there actually anyone left in this forum that gives any weight to your non-constructive, pointless, posts? ![]() 3...2...1.... (10-10-2017, 09:13 PM)bfine32 Wrote: You spend countless hours in this forum doing nothing more than trying to play gotcha and more often that not failing at it miserably as you have done here. It's quite possible you answered your own question. Nonetheless my post was on the topic of the thread and someone claiming that they were not offended/mad for two plus pages. RE: Pence Staged Exit. - Belsnickel - 10-10-2017 (10-10-2017, 09:22 PM)bfine32 Wrote: If you say that opinions cannot be wrong if they are counter to law/mandate; I'll take you at your word. It's the nature of the word opinion. It may run counter to law/mandate or social norms, but it doesn't make it wrong. Also, that's your opinion, man. ![]() RE: Pence Staged Exit. - bfine32 - 10-10-2017 (10-10-2017, 09:34 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: It's the nature of the word opinion. It may run counter to law/mandate or social norms, but it doesn't make it wrong. Okey Dokey, An opinion cannot be wrong if it is counter to law. I'll have to keep that in mind. RE: Pence Staged Exit. - Belsnickel - 10-10-2017 (10-10-2017, 09:38 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Okey Dokey, An opinion cannot be wrong if it is counter to law. Indeed, because your opinion can't be wrong in that situation. Doesn't change the fact of the law stating what it states, but just because the authority of the law states one thing does not mean it is wrong to have an opinion counter to that. It would be wrong to say that the law does not apply because of one's opinion, or that the law is wrong. The law is the law., but you can have a contrary opinion of it. This is how unjust laws are changed, because people have opinions that run counter to the laws. We've seen it throughout the history of the world and this country. We've seen it within the past ten years. If something being law made your contrary opinion immediately wrong, women and minorities wouldn't have the right to vote, it would be illegal to educate black people, slavery would still exist even. Laws are also subjective, but they are codified based upon societal norms and expectations. This is why they can be changed over time based upon the evolving opinions of the day. You can disagree with them and not be wrong, but you still have to follow them for an orderly society to exist. RE: Pence Staged Exit. - bfine32 - 10-10-2017 (10-10-2017, 09:53 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: Indeed, because your opinion can't be wrong in that situation. Doesn't change the fact of the law stating what it states, but just because the authority of the law states one thing does not mean it is wrong to have an opinion counter to that. It would be wrong to say that the law does not apply because of one's opinion, or that the law is wrong. The law is the law., but you can have a contrary opinion of it. As I said: I'll take you at your word when you say an opinion cannot be wrong. No need to double down on it. RE: Pence Staged Exit. - Belsnickel - 10-10-2017 (10-10-2017, 10:43 PM)bfine32 Wrote: As I said: I'll take you at your word when you say an opinion cannot be wrong. No need to double down on it. I know, I just had additional thoughts and wanted to get them out. RE: Pence Staged Exit. - BmorePat87 - 10-10-2017 (10-10-2017, 09:34 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: It's the nature of the word opinion. It may run counter to law/mandate or social norms, but it doesn't make it wrong. ![]() RE: Pence Staged Exit. - oncemoreuntothejimbreech - 10-11-2017 (10-10-2017, 08:32 PM)Vlad Wrote: That's what I thought you meant by verbiage, and of course you are wrong. It also means the way in which something is express because there is more than one definition and clearly I needed to dumb it down for you because you still haven't been able to answer what I thought was a pretty simple question. Would you like to answer the question you're clearly avoiding? RE: Pence Staged Exit. - GMDino - 10-11-2017 See...this is the kind of stupid stuff stupid people are passing around social media ![]() Anyone want to guess how many people "liked" it or commented about how they can leave the country? It's amazing how easy it is to rile up people. RE: Pence Staged Exit. - Nately120 - 10-12-2017 I was on nfl.com reading the comments (stupidly) for the Eifert to IR article and the thing is littered with people who are complaining about the NFL and the kneeling because they don't have comment sections on the relevant flag-related articles. I even noticed someone claiming the NFL is opposing his right to free speech by not having comment sections for those articles. Oy, it never fails to amuse me how people misconstrue what the right to free speech really means. RE: Pence Staged Exit. - CKwi88 - 10-12-2017 (10-11-2017, 11:10 PM)GMDino Wrote: See...this is the kind of stupid stuff stupid people are passing around social media It's on Facebook, it has to be true! RE: Pence Staged Exit. - Nately120 - 10-12-2017 (10-11-2017, 11:10 PM)GMDino Wrote: See...this is the kind of stupid stuff stupid people are passing around social media Pete Carroll is surprisingly into that. RE: Pence Staged Exit. - GMDino - 10-13-2017 https://www.inquisitr.com/4551347/after-nfl-controversy-trump-forgets-to-stand-for-military-flag-lowering-ceremony-talks-through-it-instead/ Quote:AFTER NFL CONTROVERSY, TRUMP FORGETS TO STAND FOR MILITARY FLAG-LOWERING CEREMONY, TALKS THROUGH IT INSTEAD RE: Pence Staged Exit. - MrRager - 10-13-2017 (10-11-2017, 11:10 PM)GMDino Wrote: See...this is the kind of stupid stuff stupid people are passing around social media "There" |