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Trump Loyalists - oncemoreuntothejimbreech - 05-18-2017 https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-loyalists-pay-little-heed-revelations-rocking-dc-163255492.html Quote:Trump loyalists pay little heed to revelations rocking DC Interesting RE: Trump Loyalists - Mike M (the other one) - 05-18-2017 (05-18-2017, 06:03 PM)oncemoreuntothejimbreech Wrote: https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-loyalists-pay-little-heed-revelations-rocking-dc-163255492.html Not really. It's no different than Hillary backers. Each group has their diehards, but notice which group of diehards whines the loudest? Trump for 2020!! RE: Trump Loyalists - oncemoreuntothejimbreech - 05-18-2017 (05-18-2017, 06:55 PM)Mike M (the other one) Wrote: Not really. Interesting. You're already supporting Trump's re-election without knowing your options? RE: Trump Loyalists - GMDino - 05-18-2017 (05-18-2017, 06:55 PM)Mike M (the other one) Wrote: Not really. Notice which group ignores reality and facts and is pretending these things aren't really happening? Or didn't you read the article? RE: Trump Loyalists - Mike M (the other one) - 05-18-2017 (05-18-2017, 07:05 PM)oncemoreuntothejimbreech Wrote: Interesting. Sure. I think he will get the economy kicking and get stuff done and I want to see the wall thru. (I got a bet riding on it hahaha). If the economy is kicking good, then it really won't matter who his opponent is. (05-18-2017, 07:13 PM)GMDino Wrote: Notice which group ignores reality and facts and is pretending these things aren't really happening? Or didn't you read the article? Oh yea? Like that Comey obstruction of Justice thing? If it truly was an Obstruction, then it's Comey's job to report it immediately to the DOJ, he did not. So if it is true, then Comey will be prosecuted as well. Comey is backing himself into a corner where his options go from losing job to losing much more. He's a weasel and we all know it, so nothing he says really holds much weight anymore, the only ones trying to make it into something is the Lefties in the Media. It's all they got. It's like the Birther thing with Obama, it will be talked about and hashed about for his entire term, but nothing will get done. Onto the Russia thing, all major politicians have connections with Russia, and other strong countries. It's the nature of the business. A phone call back and forth is not a big deal, what is discussed is, but we never heard what was really discussed so until then, it's just more smoke. RE: Trump Loyalists - GMDino - 05-18-2017 (05-18-2017, 07:38 PM)Mike M (the other one) Wrote: Sure. I think he will get the economy kicking and get stuff done and I want to see the wall thru. (I got a bet riding on it hahaha). If the economy is kicking good, then it really won't matter who his opponent is. The amazing thing is your argument is almost word for word (minus "weasel") from FOX news on XM radio this afternoon. Almost word for word. Question though: Do all major politicians lie and "forget" about their connections with Russia? Reality...not your friend apparently. RE: Trump Loyalists - oncemoreuntothejimbreech - 05-18-2017 (05-18-2017, 07:38 PM)Mike M (the other one) Wrote: Sure. I think he will get the economy kicking and get stuff done and I want to see the wall thru. (I got a bet riding on it hahaha). If the economy is kicking good, then it really won't matter who his opponent is. It's been 4 months and you're already supporting his re-election based upon something that hasn't even happened. Under the right circumstances, I could support Trump's re-election, but I'll cross that bridge when I get there. RE: Trump Loyalists - SunsetBengal - 05-18-2017 To all the ones giddy lately. What if the Independent Investigator finds no criminal wrongdoing, on Trump's part? Going to accept him then? RE: Trump Loyalists - Belsnickel - 05-18-2017 (05-18-2017, 08:34 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: To all the ones giddy lately. What if the Independent Investigator finds no criminal wrongdoing, on Trump's part? Going to accept him then? I don't expect wrongdoing on Trump's part, and I don't want them to find any with his campaign. Eithed would be bad for the country. I will still consider him to be an incompetent POTUS and his decisions to be horrible. RE: Trump Loyalists - Matt_Crimson - 05-18-2017 (05-18-2017, 08:34 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: To all the ones giddy lately. What if the Independent Investigator finds no criminal wrongdoing, on Trump's part? Going to accept him then? If there's no wrong doing found on Trump's part you can bet that conservatives are not going to let this relentless witch hunt go. Liberals are pretty much hoping at this point that there's something there because if nothing is found this is going to backfire tremendously. RE: Trump Loyalists - Aquapod770 - 05-18-2017 (05-18-2017, 08:34 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: To all the ones giddy lately. What if the Independent Investigator finds no criminal wrongdoing, on Trump's part? Going to accept him then? Nope. It'll get dragged out as long as possible, or "he was payed off by the Russians!!!!#@#!@#!@#!" Either way I'd like this crap to get resolved. Doubt it will though. RE: Trump Loyalists - Benton - 05-19-2017 (05-18-2017, 07:38 PM)Mike M (the other one) Wrote: Sure. I think he will get the economy kicking and get stuff done and I want to see the wall thru. (I got a bet riding on it hahaha). If the economy is kicking good, then it really won't matter who his opponent is. I don't think most politicians have staff members that have openly accepted payments from Russia for work completed. RE: Trump Loyalists - Benton - 05-19-2017 (05-18-2017, 08:34 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: To all the ones giddy lately. What if the Independent Investigator finds no criminal wrongdoing, on Trump's part? Going to accept him then? Trumps problems, in my opinion are ethically related, not criminal. I don't think he will receive any criminal charges. Now, an ethics probe would expose quite a bit, but that's not criminal. RE: Trump Loyalists - hollodero - 05-19-2017 (05-18-2017, 08:34 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: To all the ones giddy lately. What if the Independent Investigator finds no criminal wrongdoing, on Trump's part? Going to accept him then? Given what I believe to know, I think it's highly unlikely Mr. Mueller ends up empty handed. Maybe Trump himself did no wrong, Pence also knew nothing about anything ever, so ok, could be. If that's the outcome, I would consider Trump cleared of that suspicion. I still would think he's completely unfit for high office both intellecually and character-wise, though. But since you asked, please allow me. What if Mr. Mueller does find criminal wrongdoing on Trump's part. Would you accept that, or would the deep state conspiracies or Hillarys Emails being cooked up yet again. Would you turn away from Trump if he gets prosecuted, or would you keep defending him? RE: Trump Loyalists - Sociopathicsteelerfan - 05-19-2017 (05-19-2017, 12:24 AM)hollodero Wrote: Given what I believe to know, I think it's highly unlikely Mr. Mueller ends up empty handed. Maybe Trump himself did no wrong, Pence also knew nothing about anything ever, so ok, could be. If that's the outcome, I would consider Trump cleared of that suspicion. I still would think he's completely unfit for high office both intellecually and character-wise, though. I'm mortally sick of condemnation by opinion, so in my case, no. Quote:But since you asked, please allow me. What if Mr. Mueller does find criminal wrongdoing on Trump's part. Would you accept that, or would the deep state conspiracies or Hillarys Emails being cooked up yet again. Would you turn away from Trump if he gets prosecuted, or would you keep defending him? If there's proof then there's proof. Maxine Waters caterwauling and Dem finger crossing aren't sufficient. Neither are anonymous sources. RE: Trump Loyalists - hollodero - 05-19-2017 (05-19-2017, 02:05 AM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: If there's proof then there's proof. Maxine Waters caterwauling and Dem finger crossing aren't sufficient. Neither are anonymous sources. Well, that technically doesn't answer my question, but alright. Sure Democrats' opinions aren't sufficient, no one reasonable says otherwise. I would argue there are a little more indications for possible wrongdoing of at least Trump aides then just dubious sources and wishful thinking, though. Among other things see: Flynn, Michael. RE: Trump Loyalists - Dill - 05-19-2017 (05-18-2017, 07:38 PM)Mike M (the other one) Wrote: Sure. I think he will get the economy kicking and get stuff done and I want to see the wall thru. (I got a bet riding on it hahaha). If the economy is kicking good, then it really won't matter who his opponent is. The economy won't be kicking good. It's not clear Trump can get any legislation passed. If he does, we will find out that tax cuts for the rich do not bring back jobs. And walls do not create them. All major politicians (and their "teams") do not have repeated contacts with Russian diplomats and spies during an election in which Russia interfered with our election. And then deny those contacts. Not all American politicians are unable to criticize Russia. Trump is unable. It is not "smoke" that Trump took the Russian Ambassador and foreign minister into the white house and excluded the American press. We know of the meeting because a TASS journalist slicked his way in to the meeting as well. A coup for the Russian press. And we did hear that Trump told the Russians a secret--one we promised the Israelis we would not tell. Now we find he was constructing a back channel to Putin AROUND our official channels with their intel precautions. Colossal bad judgment. ONLY ONE AMERICAN POLITICIAN DENIES THAT RUSSIA INTERFERED WITH THE US ELECTIONS. And that denial obstructs Trump's ability to work with our intel services for our national security. This is unprecedented incompetence. More problems to come there. Your boy is a Russian asset, played by Putin, whether he knows it or not. RE: Trump Loyalists - Dill - 05-19-2017 (05-18-2017, 08:34 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: To all the ones giddy lately. What if the Independent Investigator finds no criminal wrongdoing, on Trump's part? Going to accept him then? Not sure what you mean by "accept him" Sunset. My complaints about Trump predate the Russian investigation and the Comey firing. First, he is not knowledgeable enough, not competent enough, and not emotionally mature enough to do the job. The problems he faces now are largely of his own creation. Who told him to tweet that Obama wiretapped him? Who told him to publicly threaten an official he had just fired? He is impulsive, angry and childish. Was it his "business acumen" that told him to make an unstable, ethically compromised general his National Security Advisor? You cannot name a single president in US history who has floundered like this in his first hundred days. Second, his character is flawed. Better said, he has a personality disorder. It partly manifest in how he turns all subjects and occasions back to himself, and partly manifest in the bullying, the misogyny. People who support Trump legitimate this behavior. To put this another way, Trump corrupts his supporters, drags down their ethical standards. Third, and this is minor compared to the others, is his language. The mangled, rambling, incomplete sentences are reminiscent of Palin. The limited vocabulary is always coupled with constant hyperbole--his win was a historic landslide and, as he reminded us in his Liberty commencement address, no president has EVER been persecuted and treated as unjustly as he is now. (See 2 above if your not clear why the guy would be filling commencement speech for students with his own self-pity.) So even if he is exonerated of criminal wrongdoing--like deliberate collusion with Russia--then no, I am not going to embrace the guy as a fit representative of the United States. Trump's missteps will continue. This opera is a long ways from over. RE: Trump Loyalists - Dill - 05-19-2017 (05-18-2017, 08:57 PM)Matt_Crimson Wrote: If there's no wrong doing found on Trump's part you can bet that conservatives are not going to let this relentless witch hunt go. Liberals are pretty much hoping at this point that there's something there because if nothing is found this is going to backfire tremendously. I don't think so, Matt. First of all, Flynn is pretty much busted. And many Republican politicians understand that Trump's own actions have brought forth the appointment of a special counsel. If there are not sufficient grounds for indictment in criminal activity or impeachment, it is at least clear to them that Trump does not know how to manage the Executive. Nowhere but Fox News will this investigation be called a witch hunt. Second, there is Trump's fundamental incompetence. The ship is not going to right itself because of a favorable verdict. Over the coming weeks DURING the investigation, new crises will arise from Trump mismanagement. (Foreign policy is a likely area.) Against all advice he will continue to tweet and fire personnel and mishandle intel and alienate allies--domestic and foreign. (Keep your eyes on the coming trip to the Middle East; Saudi Arabia some new foreign policy goals for our impressionable president, and Trump has a nice speech on Islam ready.) So over the coming months we will continue to hear talk of impeachment and removal (25th Amendment style) for grounds not yet on the horizon, for massive faux pas Trump has not yet committed or that we have not yet heard about. As Trump's new blunders soak up all the news space and generate new threads in this forum, his supporters will have little time to crow over his vindication. By years end some may finally be looking forward to Pence. RE: Trump Loyalists - Dill - 05-19-2017 (05-19-2017, 12:07 AM)Benton Wrote: I don't think most politicians have staff members that have openly accepted payments from Russia for work completed. And if elected president, most wouldn't then appoint said staffer to be their NATIONAL SECURITY ADVISER. |