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Universal Health Care - GMDino - 02-05-2018 The POTUS doesn't like it.
Unfortunately he was wrong/lied/misinformed because he gets all his intel from Fox & Friends: https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/donald-trump-nhs-march-attack-11973119 Quote:Donald Trump has launched a damning attack on the NHS, saying Britain's treasured system of universal healthcare is "going broke and not working". RE: Universal Health Care - SunsetBengal - 02-05-2018 Sounds to me that the POTUS wasn't all that far off base, with his tweet about the Brit's march. Seems to me like their system has been having some "issues", as a result of the 8 years of Austerity measures. Perhaps they were just embarrassed that Trump chose to draw attention to them via tweet? Edit: I see nothing great or magical about the idea of "Universal Health Care", it's a noble idea, but impractical for Nations with large populations. I seem to remember reading articles about both the British and Canadian versions of Health Care, they detailed stories of long waits for procedures, people dying before their surgery was approved, etc. I think that our "blended" system does well enough. If you have employer sponsored care, great you're set! If you're broke, the people will pay your bills anyway, because government Medicaid. RE: Universal Health Care - Belsnickel - 02-05-2018 So, a couple of things. One, universal healthcare and single-payer systems are not synonymous. Single-payer is a way to achieve universal coverage, but this is a problem with wording that has been going on for some time. Two, the march was to save NHS. Brits are by and large fond of having single-payer and the march was against the efforts by the right-wingers in the country to destroy the system from within by defunding it. RE: Universal Health Care - BmorePat87 - 02-05-2018 Trump's understanding of policy can be summed up by whatever was on Fox and Friends this morning. RE: Universal Health Care - StLucieBengal - 02-05-2018 The NHS is broke. There are real problems over there. RE: Universal Health Care - GMDino - 02-06-2018 (02-05-2018, 08:04 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: So, a couple of things. One, universal healthcare and single-payer systems are not synonymous. Single-payer is a way to achieve universal coverage, but this is a problem with wording that has been going on for some time. Two, the march was to save NHS. Brits are by and large fond of having single-payer and the march was against the efforts by the right-wingers in the country to destroy the system from within by defunding it. Gotcha on the two systems. I probably should have put more thought into the title of the thread. (02-05-2018, 08:13 PM)BmorePat87 Wrote: Trump's understanding of policy can be summed up by whatever was on Fox and Friends this morning. Bingo. RE: Universal Health Care - Belsnickel - 02-06-2018 (02-06-2018, 12:34 AM)GMDino Wrote: Gotcha on the two systems. I probably should have put more thought into the title of the thread. You were just quoting what has been said. It's not your fault our president's understanding of policy is the equivalent of a middle-schooler's. RE: Universal Health Care - michaelsean - 02-06-2018 Wait. Piers Morgan is a frequent defender of Trump? I've been more effective at shutting everything out than I thought. RE: Universal Health Care - GMDino - 02-06-2018 (02-06-2018, 09:45 AM)michaelsean Wrote: Wait. Piers Morgan is a frequent defender of Trump? I've been more effective at shutting everything out than I thought. Absolutely. He loves him some Trumpbutt. Some would say literally. (NSFW) RE: Universal Health Care - Millhouse - 02-06-2018 So is this about universal healthcare, or Trump tweeting about it? Because in an ideal world with a very small military, a non-crumbling infrastructure, no illegal immigrants, and no greed, I would be ok with it as long as intelligent people ran it. Since the U.S. is far off from those things, just doesnt seem practical. RE: Universal Health Care - Belsnickel - 02-06-2018 (02-06-2018, 12:38 PM)Millhouse Wrote: So is this about universal healthcare, or Trump tweeting about it? This post is, again, conflating universal healthcare and single-payer. Single-payer is one way to achieve universal healthcare/coverage, but they are not synonyms. For instance, the ACA was an attempt at achieving universal healthcare, but it was not single-payer. It is a miserable failure of a policy, but it was an attempt. RE: Universal Health Care - Griever - 02-06-2018 I'd rather my taxes went up a little for this than I would for a wall that wont even work to address the issue RE: Universal Health Care - michaelsean - 02-06-2018 (02-06-2018, 01:18 PM)Griever Wrote: I'd rather my taxes went up a little for this than I would for a wall that wont even work to address the issue But you have to convince all the other people that they will have to pay tax into this too. The wealthy can't come close to footing the bill. RE: Universal Health Care - StLucieBengal - 02-06-2018 I don’t want single payer. But I would actually consider it in the spirit of working with the other side. If strict immigration controls were put into place and cancelling social security. RE: Universal Health Care - Wyche'sWarrior - 02-06-2018 (02-06-2018, 05:08 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: I don’t want single payer. But I would actually consider it in the spirit of working with the other side. If strict immigration controls were put into place and cancelling social security. So long as the thieving bastards pay me back what I've already paid in, we're golden. RE: Universal Health Care - Belsnickel - 02-06-2018 (02-06-2018, 05:15 PM)WychesWarrior Wrote: So long as the thieving bastards pay me back what I've already paid in, we're golden. Hahahahaha! You think they still have your money! ![]() RE: Universal Health Care - michaelsean - 02-06-2018 (02-06-2018, 10:05 AM)GMDino Wrote: Absolutely. He loves him some Trumpbutt. How did that happen? RE: Universal Health Care - Wyche'sWarrior - 02-07-2018 (02-06-2018, 05:57 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: Hahahahaha! You think they still have your money! Oh hell no.....they've already stolen that. That's where the REAL treason comes into play. They should be tried for treason and dealt with accordingly. If not, "let them eat cake", if you catch my drift. I'm sick and damn tired of these "two" parties. It's time for a radical overhaul. This finger pointing and bickering is designed populace division. RE: Universal Health Care - Benton - 02-07-2018 It won’t matter too long. Our current system, with politicians fighting price controls, combined with our economy, more workers earning fewer benefits, will have one of two things happening. Massive amounts of people who can’t pay bankrupting critical access providers (direction we’re heading) or there will be too few people who can afford services and the healthcare bubble pops. RE: Universal Health Care - fredtoast - 02-07-2018 (02-07-2018, 11:08 AM)Benton Wrote: It won’t matter too long. Our current system, with politicians fighting price controls, combined with our economy, more workers earning fewer benefits, will have one of two things happening. Massive amounts of people who can’t pay bankrupting critical access providers (direction we’re heading) or there will be too few people who can afford services and the healthcare bubble pops. This. People that claim we "can't afford" universal health care do not realize that we are already paying for it through bankruptcies and high insurance premiums. When a health care provider writes off a loss every other patient ends up paying for it. and the number one cause of bankruptcy in the United States is health care debts. |