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SCOTUS: Trump military trans ban can continue during appeals process - BmorePat87 - 01-22-2019
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/supreme-court-enforcement-trump-military-transgender-ban-appeals/story?id=60541370
The vote was 5-4 along partisan lines to put a stay on a lower court order that halted the ban while the appeals continued. As a result, the administration will be able to start their transgender ban back up as the Administration appeals the lower court ruling.
RE: SCOTUS: Trump military trans ban can continue during appeals process - GMDino - 01-22-2019
(01-22-2019, 12:02 PM)BmorePat87 Wrote: https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/supreme-court-enforcement-trump-military-transgender-ban-appeals/story?id=60541370
The vote was 5-4 along partisan lines to put a stay on a lower court order that halted the ban while the appeals continued. As a result, the administration will be able to start their transgender ban back up as the Administration appeals the lower court ruling.
Did they give any reason? I heard about the vote but not the why.
RE: SCOTUS: Trump military trans ban can continue during appeals process - TheLeonardLeap - 01-22-2019
The answer to all the problems with who can or can't be where and in which bathroom? Go full genderless in the military. Unisex bathroom, shower, haircuts, standards, selective service (or just get rid of selective service). Everyone is equal.
RE: SCOTUS: Trump military trans ban can continue during appeals process - Dill - 01-22-2019
(01-22-2019, 12:02 PM)BmorePat87 Wrote: https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/supreme-court-enforcement-trump-military-transgender-ban-appeals/story?id=60541370
The vote was 5-4 along partisan lines to put a stay on a lower court order that halted the ban while the appeals continued. As a result, the administration will be able to start their transgender ban back up as the Administration appeals the lower court ruling.
Presidents make a difference.
RE: SCOTUS: Trump military trans ban can continue during appeals process - bfine32 - 01-22-2019
I'm sorta torn on this one. I feel anyone that wants to serve should be able to do so; however, we disqualify folks everyday for medical or psychological reasons.
Do folks here consider transgender to be medical or psychological?
RE: SCOTUS: Trump military trans ban can continue during appeals process - Benton - 01-22-2019
(01-22-2019, 06:09 PM)bfine32 Wrote: I'm sorta torn on this one. I feel anyone that wants to serve should be able to do so; however, we disqualify folks everyday for medical or psychological reasons.
Do folks here consider transgender to be medical or psychological?
I think that's only relevant if you're trying to box it in as a disorder or a problem. Which, you can narrow most things down to some sort of psychological or physiological result.
RE: SCOTUS: Trump military trans ban can continue during appeals process - bfine32 - 01-22-2019
(01-22-2019, 06:35 PM)Benton Wrote: I think that's only relevant if you're trying to box it in as a disorder or a problem. Which, you can narrow most things down to some sort of psychological or physiological result.
Soldiers have to be qualified PULHES. Basically your body and mind.It is "narrowed down" by DODMERB.
RE: SCOTUS: Trump military trans ban can continue during appeals process - Benton - 01-22-2019
(01-22-2019, 07:03 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Soldiers have to be qualified PULHES. Basically your body and mind.It is "narrowed down" by DODMERB.
I'm not sure where transgender is relevant, unless it somehow impacts the person's physical ability (ie, taking hormones causes the person to gain weight).
RE: SCOTUS: Trump military trans ban can continue during appeals process - bfine32 - 01-22-2019
(01-22-2019, 07:11 PM)Benton Wrote: I'm not sure where transgender is relevant, unless it somehow impacts the person's physical ability (ie, taking hormones causes the person to gain weight).
Everything on your body and in your mind is relevant.
As I said I'm torn on the decision, but it has to be classified. I don't know why anyone would fight against this.
We ask have you ever thought about suicide: should that be allowed?
RE: SCOTUS: Trump military trans ban can continue during appeals process - fredtoast - 01-22-2019
(01-22-2019, 07:15 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Everything on your body and in your mind is relevant.
But not everything disqualifies you. Lefthanded Muslims are allowed in same as "normal" people.
The question is why should transgender disqualify a person from military duty.
RE: SCOTUS: Trump military trans ban can continue during appeals process - bfine32 - 01-22-2019
(01-22-2019, 07:20 PM)fredtoast Wrote: But not everything disqualifies you. Lefthanded Muslims are allowed in same as "normal" people.
The question is why should transgender disqualify a person from military duty.
I'm not saying it should. But it has to be classified. For instance I know a Soldier is both Lefthanded and a Muslim .
Belief it or not. Race is relevant.
RE: SCOTUS: Trump military trans ban can continue during appeals process - fredtoast - 01-22-2019
(01-22-2019, 07:24 PM)bfine32 Wrote: I'm not saying it should. But it has to be classified.
Biological sex would be physical. Transgender would be psychological (gender dysphoria) unless post op.
RE: SCOTUS: Trump military trans ban can continue during appeals process - GMDino - 01-22-2019
(01-22-2019, 07:24 PM)bfine32 Wrote: I'm not saying it should. But it has to be classified. For instance I know a Soldier is both Lefthanded and a Muslim .
Belief it or not. Race is relevant.
Why?
RE: SCOTUS: Trump military trans ban can continue during appeals process - bfine32 - 01-22-2019
(01-22-2019, 07:59 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Biological sex would be physical. Transgender would be psychological (gender dysphoria) unless post op.This is exactly as I see it. Of course I could see it being physical once you started medical therapy.
RE: SCOTUS: Trump military trans ban can continue during appeals process - bfine32 - 01-22-2019
(01-22-2019, 08:37 PM)GMDino Wrote: Why?
You'd have to ask the medical professionals, but I doubt they'd tell you; the whole HIPPA thing is kinda hard to get around. My thoughts are perhaps because of blood cell abnormalities such as sickle cell or anemia. Of course I'm just speculating.
RE: SCOTUS: Trump military trans ban can continue during appeals process - GMDino - 01-22-2019
(01-22-2019, 08:44 PM)bfine32 Wrote: You'd have to ask the medical professionals, but I doubt they'd tell you; the whole HIPPA thing is kinda hard to get around. My thoughts are perhaps because of blood cell abnormalities such as sickle cell or anemia. Of course I'm just speculating.
That would just fall under disease I guess. I can see the military rejecting someone who was sick. Just that "race" was an odd aspect.
RE: SCOTUS: Trump military trans ban can continue during appeals process - bfine32 - 01-22-2019
(01-22-2019, 08:55 PM)GMDino Wrote: That would just fall under disease I guess. I can see the military rejecting someone who was sick. Just that "race" was an odd aspect.
Not everyone knows they have a disease before they submit an exam. Perhaps different test are ran based on trends of disease. I suppose if anyone were offended by the question they could choose other, but I don't know why anyone would do that.
RE: SCOTUS: Trump military trans ban can continue during appeals process - Belsnickel - 01-22-2019
(01-22-2019, 12:07 PM)GMDino Wrote: Did they give any reason? I heard about the vote but not the why.
This wasn't an opinion, just an order. This is all you get with orders: https://www.supremecourt.gov/orders/courtorders/012219zor_8759.pdf
RE: SCOTUS: Trump military trans ban can continue during appeals process - BmorePat87 - 01-22-2019
(01-22-2019, 06:09 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Do folks here consider transgender to be medical or psychological?
I need more to answer this question. Are you asking if someone identifying as transgender is "medical or psychological" or are you asking if the dysphoria that some transgender folks experience is "medical or psychological"?
RE: SCOTUS: Trump military trans ban can continue during appeals process - bfine32 - 01-22-2019
(01-22-2019, 10:54 PM)BmorePat87 Wrote: I need more to answer this question. Are you asking if someone identifying as transgender is "medical or psychological" or are you asking if the dysphoria that some transgender folks experience is "medical or psychological"?
Hell everybody feels dysphoria at one point or another in their lives. I speak strictly about someone identifying as Transgender. More specifically the 3 different levels:
Simply identifying
Hormonal/drug treatments
Surgical proceedure