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High-speed police chases have killed thousands of innocent bystanders - GMDino - 09-12-2015 http://www.usatoday.com/longform/news/2015/07/30/police-pursuits-fatal-injuries/30187827/ Quote:Some police say drivers who flee are suspicious, and chasing them maintains law and order. "When crooks think they can do whatever they choose, that will just fester and foster more crimes," said Milwaukee Police Detective Michael Crivello, who is president of the city's police union. More at the link. RE: High-speed police chases have killed thousands of innocent bystanders - JustWinBaby - 09-12-2015 (09-12-2015, 07:14 PM)GMDino Wrote: http://www.usatoday.com/longform/news/2015/07/30/police-pursuits-fatal-injuries/30187827/ That's because it's much more difficult to race-bait with a car chase. But there's enough tech now, between dashboard cams and red light cameras and so on, that I see few reasons to chase anyone. A known violent felon or a stolen vehicle are about the only reasons I'd give chase. I'd guess like 90% of the time, with the plate and photo proof of who was driving, you can easily track these people down and arrest them on a bunch of charges. I don't know what the penalty is for fleeing in a vehicle, but you might have to really stiffen those penalties A person with illegal guns or drugs is still going to have incentive to flee, but it really shouldn't make a difference once you get them if the penalty for fleeing is severe enough (especially for someone with a record). RE: High-speed police chases have killed thousands of innocent bystanders - Devils Advocate - 09-12-2015 Technology will make these chases obsolete in the very near future. RE: High-speed police chases have killed thousands of innocent bystanders - 6andcounting - 09-12-2015 Some police departments are starting to use a bazooka that shoots a gps to the back of a fleeing car. RE: High-speed police chases have killed thousands of innocent bystanders - JustWinBaby - 09-12-2015 This did get quite a bit of coverage 15-20 years ago, and a lot of police forces changed their procedures. RE: High-speed police chases have killed thousands of innocent bystanders - Rotobeast - 09-12-2015 (09-12-2015, 07:56 PM)6andcounting Wrote: Some police departments are starting to use a bazooka that shoots a gps to the back of a fleeing car.They are also supposed to be able to fire a module that can completely short out the vehicle's electrical system. RE: High-speed police chases have killed thousands of innocent bystanders - Sociopathicsteelerfan - 09-12-2015 Before I comment further I'd like to ask, what is the point of this thread? RE: High-speed police chases have killed thousands of innocent bystanders - Benton - 09-12-2015 (09-12-2015, 09:09 PM)JustWinBaby Wrote: This did get quite a bit of coverage 15-20 years ago, and a lot of police forces changed their procedures. Agreed. This was an issue. Most departments or municipalities realized it, addressed it. RE: High-speed police chases have killed thousands of innocent bystanders - Belsnickel - 09-13-2015 I don't know much about the specific rules for police in a chase, but I know in my EVOC training it was made clear that while running hot we could exceed the speed limit, but not get to the point of reckless. In Virginia that means 20 over the limit or 80 mph, whichever is lower. Always seemed like a good rule, which is why it was codified for us. Our medic chase cars were police interceptor Crown Vics and I know that hitting 120 in one on a straight, open highway can still leave one feeling a little less in control than is comfortable to me, anyway. Anyway, whenever I think of these chases going awry I think back to my medic days where we had the only such incident in this area that I can ever remember. It wasn't a pedestrian that got hit, or another driver. The officer crested the top of a hill too fast and ended up inside of a second story apartment's living room. I was an extrication tech and can say that I never expected to work a scene like that one. RE: High-speed police chases have killed thousands of innocent bystanders - GMDino - 09-13-2015 (09-12-2015, 11:32 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: Before I comment further I'd like to ask, what is the point of this thread? That they did a study and found a lot of innocent people die due to high speed chases. Many of which are for minor violations that caused the police to have cause to think there might be something nefarious going on apparently. Quite frankly I didn't think the total death toll would be as high as it is let alone for bystanders. That's all. RE: High-speed police chases have killed thousands of innocent bystanders - Sociopathicsteelerfan - 09-13-2015 (09-13-2015, 12:49 AM)GMDino Wrote: That they did a study and found a lot of innocent people die due to high speed chases. Many of which are for minor violations that caused the police to have cause to think there might be something nefarious going on apparently. Now the question becomes what is your solution to this problem? Let people who drive fast enough escape police apprehension or continue as is? Another question would be is around 600 deaths a year in a nation of 300+ million worse than letting criminals go if they drive really fast? RE: High-speed police chases have killed thousands of innocent bystanders - JustWinBaby - 09-13-2015 (09-13-2015, 02:21 AM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: Now the question becomes what is your solution to this problem? Let people who drive fast enough escape police apprehension or continue as is? Another question would be is around 600 deaths a year in a nation of 300+ million worse than letting criminals go if they drive really fast? Irrelevant questions in a society that wants to blame cops rather than the POS criminals for the deaths. RE: High-speed police chases have killed thousands of innocent bystanders - Blutarsky - 09-13-2015 (09-12-2015, 11:32 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: Before I comment further I'd like to ask, what is the point of this thread? That cops can't do anything right. RE: High-speed police chases have killed thousands of innocent bystanders - GMDino - 09-13-2015 (09-13-2015, 02:21 AM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: Now the question becomes what is your solution to this problem? Let people who drive fast enough escape police apprehension or continue as is? Another question would be is around 600 deaths a year in a nation of 300+ million worse than letting criminals go if they drive really fast? Your question begs this question: Would those people drive at high speeds if the cops weren't trying to pull them over for failure to use a turn signal? Or a headlight out? Or any other of the myriad of minor offense that resulted in people getting killed due to a high speed chase? You're focusing on the chase. I'm curious about the rules an regulations for the chase. Is it worth it to kill 600 people a year? Is it worth it to kill one person a year? Over a expired tag? Or are the police using such minor infractions as "reasonable cause" to search people and hope they get luck and find something more? RE: High-speed police chases have killed thousands of innocent bystanders - GMDino - 09-13-2015 (09-13-2015, 08:30 AM)Blutarsky Wrote: That cops can't do anything right. Or the cops are being told to do things that will put innocent people in jeopardy. RE: High-speed police chases have killed thousands of innocent bystanders - GMDino - 09-13-2015 (09-13-2015, 02:39 AM)JustWinBaby Wrote: Irrelevant questions in a society that wants to blame cops rather than the POS criminals for the deaths. Yes. Those POS criminals who went through a traffic light a second late...or didn't use their turn signal correctly. We must hunt them down! And if a few innocent people get killed? Well, that the price of doing business, ain't it? ![]() Maybe if the police force wasn't being used as a revenue stream (as is seen by a lot of citizens) but rather an actual force looking out for our good people wouldn't fear them enough to run? Of course there will always be those who run...but hoping that the guy witht he broken tail-light is also a heroin dealer so they chase him at high speeds doesn't seen like a good risk / reward ratio to me. RE: High-speed police chases have killed thousands of innocent bystanders - Rotobeast - 09-13-2015 (09-13-2015, 11:12 AM)GMDino Wrote: Yes. Those POS criminals who went through a traffic light a second late...or didn't use their turn signal correctly. They chase because they run, not because of an initial infraction like a taillight. You all know what is going to happen with everyone continuing to complain about cops, right ? There will be cameras EVERYWHERE and they will break down your door, after getting video on you. You think there's a revenue stream now.....lol RE: High-speed police chases have killed thousands of innocent bystanders - Sociopathicsteelerfan - 09-13-2015 (09-13-2015, 11:10 AM)GMDino Wrote: Your question begs this question: Would those people drive at high speeds if the cops weren't trying to pull them over for failure to use a turn signal? Or a headlight out? Or any other of the myriad of minor offense that resulted in people getting killed due to a high speed chase? This might be both the dumbest post you've ever made. The initial reason for the stop can become completely irrelevant the minute someone decides to flee. They may be fleeing for something as innocuous as an expired driver's license or it may be a criminal wanted on multiple felonies. It's impossible to discern why someone is fleeing you, the mere fact that they are is cause to ensure they are stopped. You're last sentence is so far off topic as to not even warrant discussion in this thread. Lastly, what you're essentially advocating is for the United States to be a country in which all a criminal has to do to evade the police and possible arrest is to just drive really fast. Like I said in the beginning, as dumb a post as you've ever made and then some. RE: High-speed police chases have killed thousands of innocent bystanders - GMDino - 09-13-2015 (09-13-2015, 12:33 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan='60937 Wrote:This might be both the dumbest post you've ever made. The initial reason for the stop can become completely irrelevant the minute someone decides to flee. They may be fleeing for something as innocuous as an expired driver's license or it may be a criminal wanted on multiple felonies. It's impossible to discern why someone is fleeing you, the mere fact that they are is cause to ensure they are stopped. You're last sentence is so far off topic as to not even warrant discussion in this thread. Sociopathicsteelerfan='60937'='1442158394 Wrote:Lastly, what you're essentially advocating is for the United States to be a country in which all a criminal has to do to evade the police and possible arrest is to just drive really fast. Like I said in the beginning, as dumb a post as you've ever made and then some. Do you think for a split second I thought you'd ever agree that anything the police do, even if its chasing a guy who may or may not have misused his turn signal, at a high speed, resulting in the death of someone? The one point I brought up (that you think is useless) was: "hoping that the guy with the broken tail-light is also a heroin dealer so they chase him at high speeds doesn't seen like a good risk / reward ratio to me." And yet you said in your own response they have no way to know so they better chase just in case. You think high speed chases are good and necessary. No big surprise there. I wonder if there's some way to limit them and avoid killing innocent people because of them. So naturally you are against it. Read the article rather than just jumping on the "you hate cops" meme. ![]() RE: High-speed police chases have killed thousands of innocent bystanders - GMDino - 09-13-2015 (09-13-2015, 11:42 AM)Rotobeast Wrote: They chase because they run, not because of an initial infraction like a taillight. And....is it worth chasing the guy with the broken taillight? You have their plate number, its at best a warning to get it fixed (unless you didn't make your quote yet) so do you suddenly create a dangerous situation or do you note it and send a letter? |