(05-15-2020, 02:12 PM)Isaac Curtis: The Real #85 Wrote: Not surprising, given the reality bubble 40% of the country seems to live in, but the level of ignorance and conspiracy theory nonsense in some posts is still disappointing to see.

I haven't seen one word of concern for those who would be (forced?) to work the stadium for a game with fans, even if they are spread out. Folks working the gates, concessions, ushers, and such? What choice do they have?

Even with spread out fans, you are still going to get cheek by jowl at the gates, bathrooms, and concessions. Having games with bars & restaurants open (where people will congregate to watch them) will be problematic enough. Actual fans at games is insane.

Many people believe the severity of the outbreak in Italy & Spain was greatly worsened because of a Champions League match played between Atalanta (northern Italy) and Valencia (Spain) in early spring/late winter. Atalanta is a fairy small city that does not host CL games often, so a high percentage of the town either came to the match, or gathered to watch it. Unbeknownst to many at the time, COVID was already out in northern Italy. Everyone gathered, including Valencia's treveling fans. A month later Italy (northern Italy in particular) had the worst COVID outbreak in the world and Spain was a close second.

Let's try not to repeat that, yes?

Comparisons to the flu (for which there is a vaccine) are idiotic. COVID has killed more Americans in two months than any war save WWI (which it will pass soon), WWII, and the Civil War. And that is WITH severe social distancing restrictions. It would be 10x worse without them. COVID was the leading cause of death in the USA in April. Obviously, this fluctuates a bit, and deaths are undercounted somewhat, but it is right there with heart disease (1,774 dearhs per day) and cancer (1,641). In April, COVID reported deaths were 58,705. Or 1,957 day.

Flu deaths per month? In 2017-18, we lost 61,000 people in a year to the flu. 5,083 per month. With no social distancing.COVID is much deadlier (10x) even with distancing.

https://www.livescience.com/coronavirus-leading-cause-of-death.html

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

https://www.health.com/condition/cold-flu-sinus/how-many-people-die-of-the-flu-every-year

But sure, it is all some media delivered, deep state plot, happening in every country in the world at the same time, all out to make Mango Unchained look bad. Yeesh.

(05-15-2020, 01:21 PM)Nately120 Wrote: There is a 90 page covid thread in the politics and religion section.  You should go in there and clean house like a professional wrestler after the hot tag.

(05-15-2020, 12:52 PM)Mer Wrote: I'm sorry if I offended you. The bottom line is the Man upstairs already knows how long you'll be on this Earth. No mask, vaccine, quarantine, or anything for that matter is going to change it. If people want to self quarantine that's great. I hope it helps them feel safe but for the rest of the country that would rather go on with life and choose to not live in fear we should have the same right. To each his own.

(05-15-2020, 02:57 PM)Mer Wrote: Oh and by the way the hospital gets more money for Covid-19 deaths. 

(05-15-2020, 01:30 PM)bengalfan74 Wrote: The 1969 Hong Kong flu killed over 100,000 in the U.S. but didn't even put a dent in Woodstock,

(05-15-2020, 05:29 PM)fredtoast Wrote: No they don't.  They may get more to treat COVID patients, but they get nothing extra by putting COVID as the cause of death for theones that die.


The problem with people like you is that you just hear what you want to hear.

(05-15-2020, 05:39 PM)Mer Wrote: Ok. I'll play your game. So they get more money for treating Covid patients. So, again, why wouldn't they list as many patients as possible as Covid if they get more money? Heart disease, Cancer, COPD? NO!! Covid -19 !!!"Yes your heart was already failing, your cancer has spread, or you haven't been able to breath because you smoked for 50 years but Covid killed you or was what made you sick to start with." No Covid symptoms? But you tested positive.  And you don't think that would raise the covid death numbers? Come on Fred I've been on this board reading your "reality" posts for 5 years. Do you really think the numbers aren't inflated? 

(05-15-2020, 08:10 AM)Nately120 Wrote: Ida know.  Much like pants I only wear a mask outside my house because i dont want to be hassled by the man or upset anyone. 

After my traumatic childhood im practically shameless. 

(05-15-2020, 06:02 PM)Nately120 Wrote: Tread carefully, complaining about companies misusing capitalistic incentives is the first step towards communism. 

(05-15-2020, 05:39 PM)Mer Wrote: Ok. I'll play your game. So they get more money for treating Covid patients. So, again, why wouldn't they list as many patients as possible as Covid if they get more money? 

(05-15-2020, 06:07 PM)Mer Wrote: Unfortunately humans, including myself, will always get all they can. If there's a loop hole that could increase revenue significantly of course they're going to exploit it. 

(05-15-2020, 05:34 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Hong Kong Flu killed about 100,000 in US over 18 moth period from summer of '68 through winter of '69-'70.

Covid 19 has killed almost 90,000 in US just four months.

yeah, they are exactly the same.

(05-15-2020, 06:09 PM)Bengalitis Wrote: I cant wait to have grandchildren to tell them how gramps(me) had to survive this apocalyptic pandemic and survived it in the end. Gonna be fun.

(05-15-2020, 06:08 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Because they could be sued for malpractice and have to pay millions of dollars in damages if they put down a fake diagnosis and were treating a person for the wrong thing just to get more money.

You can't just make stuff up on a medical chart without risking losing your license..  The patient would have to be suffering from Covid symptoms or test positive for it in order for the doctor to list them as a covid patient. 

(05-15-2020, 06:11 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Just because you are a crook who would lie to make more money that does not mean all doctors are.

Many of them are concerned about keeping their license and not getting sued for malpractice.

(05-15-2020, 06:07 PM)Mer Wrote: Unfortunately humans, including myself, will always get all they can. If there's a loop hole that could increase revenue significantly of course they're going to exploit it. 

(05-15-2020, 06:11 PM)Tony Wrote:  I'm positive millions got fired on purpose.  

(05-15-2020, 06:15 PM)Mer Wrote: Ouch Fred! Why so harsh? I'm trying to have a mature conversation here and you call me a crook? Not cool.

(05-15-2020, 03:04 PM)Mer Wrote: BTW I've tried to get into that section but I don't have the password and quite frankly I think it's silly to have to use one. If you're a member of the board shouldn't that be enough?