Quote:President Donald Trump said Monday that he is taking a malaria drug to protect against the new coronavirus, despite warnings from his own government that it should only be administered for COVID-19 in a hospital or research setting due to potentially fatal side effects.

Trump told reporters he has been taking the drug, hydroxychloroquine, and a zinc supplement daily “for about a week and a half now.” Trump spent weeks pushing the drug as a potential cure or prophylaxis for COVID-19 against the cautionary advice of many of his administration's top medical professionals. The drug has the potential to cause significant side effects in some patients and has not been shown to combat the new coronavirus.

Trump said his doctor did not recommend the drug to him, but he requested it from the White House physician.

"I started taking it, because I think it’s good," Trump said. "I’ve heard a lot of good stories.”

(05-18-2020, 08:31 PM)oncemoreuntothejimbreech Wrote: http://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/trump-says-hes-taking-malaria-drug-to-protect-against-virus/ar-BB14gGDF?ocid=ientp

There is no evidence to support the use of hydroxychloroquine prophylaxis for Covid-19.  I feel sorry for his physician.  He destroys everyone's integrity around him.

(05-18-2020, 08:04 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: Keep on telling yourselves that the mask you're wearing is keeping you safe..

(05-18-2020, 11:01 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: That's a really ironic picture you posted there..  I seem to remember the esteemed Dr. Fauci saying that masks do not prevent the spread of the virus.  But, I digress from your onslaught against anyone who sees things differently than you. 

(05-19-2020, 09:27 AM)oncemoreuntothejimbreech Wrote: Look, I understand this is a meme, but it is misleading. And I thought misleading Covid-19 information was a no no around here.

(05-19-2020, 09:11 AM)GMDino Wrote: The release from the WH Dr does not say DJT is using the medicine.

This statement does not say that Trump is taking hydroxychloroquine https://t.co/g2PQod3bpg

— Aaron Rupar (@atrupar) May 19, 2020

He may just be that drunk guy in a bar who has to one up everyone.  That said I told my wife last night that if he's pushed he'll probably snort a line of it on television just to prove a point to the "losers and haters".

(05-19-2020, 10:28 AM)SunsetBengal Wrote: Look, I posted a meme that made me chuckle, and I get a swarm of negativity.  I make reference that the "expert" that everyone trusts said masks aren't a failsafe option.  I get another swarm response of skepticism and negativity.  I point out exactly when the expert said what he said, I get a swarm of people wanting to move the goal posts.

Quote:Look, nobody is saying that you shouldn't wear a mask if it makes you feel safer.  I'm just saying that you're likely not as safe as you might want to believe by wearing one.  However, there is no reason that one single opinion that differs from all of y'all in yours, is any reason to try to hold a massive group intervention, like "quick, someone just threw a lit match into the hay barn!"   

Benton, I can empathize with your situation.  Been tough dealing with staying away from my parents during all of this, too.  

(05-19-2020, 02:24 PM)oncemoreuntothejimbreech Wrote:  When I’m at work and taking care of patients with suspected or confirmed Covid-19, I wear a fit tested N95 mask which is specifically designed to prevent me ( the wearer) from getting sick. Again, that isn’t to make me feel safe. It is to prevent me from getting infected and in turn infecting others (patients and fellow healthcare workers.). But, also to maintain staffing levels so we can continue to provide healthcare instead of out of work due to illness.

(05-19-2020, 02:35 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: Of course.  It's not designed to make you feel safe, it's designed make you actually safe.

Dealing with medical patients in a clinical environment calls for a higher level of containment than out in the environment.  I went and saw my family physician about a week ago, regularly scheduled checkup.  He, along with all of the staff, were wearing masks.  Not the type that you are describing, but the standard style clinical masks.  After the visit, he even took it down, while out in the hall.  

You must be a lot closer to risk than they feel they are.  My provider is part of the UNC healthcare system, and I'm pretty sure that they don't skirt any established guidelines or recommended precautions.

Quote:Standard Precautions assume that every person is potentially infected or colonized with a pathogen that could be transmitted in the healthcare setting Elements of Standard Precautions that apply to patients with respiratory infections, including COVID-19, are summarized below. Attention should be paid to training and proper donning (putting on), doffing (taking off), and disposal of any PPE. This document does not emphasize all aspects of Standard Precautions (e.g., injection safety) that are required for all patient care; the full description is provided in the Guideline for Isolation Precautions: Preventing Transmission of Infectious Agents in Healthcare Settings.

HCP (see Section 5 for measures for non-HCP visitors) who enter the room of a patient with known or suspected COVID-19 should adhere to Standard Precautions and use a respirator (or facemask if a respirator is not available), gown, gloves, and eye protection. When available, respirators (instead of facemasks) are preferred; they should be prioritized for situations where respiratory protection is most important and the care of patients with pathogens requiring Airborne Precautions (e.g., tuberculosis, measles, varicella). Information about the recommended duration of Transmission-Based Precautions is available in the Interim Guidance for Discontinuation of Transmission-Based Precautions and Disposition of Hospitalized Patients with COVID-19

(05-19-2020, 02:35 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: Of course.  It's not designed to make you feel safe, it's designed make you actually safe.

Dealing with medical patients in a clinical environment calls for a higher level of containment than out in the environment.  I went and saw my family physician about a week ago, regularly scheduled checkup.  He, along with all of the staff, were wearing masks.  Not the type that you are describing, but the standard style clinical masks.  After the visit, he even took it down, while out in the hall.  

You must be a lot closer to risk than they feel they are.  My provider is part of the UNC healthcare system, and I'm pretty sure that they don't skirt any established guidelines or recommended precautions.

(05-19-2020, 03:23 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: So here you can see the CDC's guidelines are that all patient care be conducted under the assumption that the patient is infected with COVID-19 and as such, N95 respirators are preferred, but a mask should be worn if not. Now, the problem is that supplies aren't the greatest for this stuff, so some places they may be prioritized for certain areas in the network, etc.

(05-19-2020, 04:28 PM)oncemoreuntothejimbreech Wrote: The CDC’s recommendations to wear a face covering while in public are the same for both of us for the same reasons.

I don’t wear a N95 masks out in public. I only wear it at work. (But, I still wear procedure masks at work depending upon the situation.) The one I wear in public will not prevent me from inhaling the novel coronavirus, but it will reduce the spread of respiratory droplets to others through breathing, coughing and sneezing. It also prevents me from coughing or sneezing on my hand then contaminating the things I touch with my respiratory droplets which could contain the virus.

I just went to the grocery store this week and while there I watched a couple put several packages of cold cuts back on the shelves. If they coughed or sneezed on their hands then those packages are contaminated and could get others sick. A face covering could prevent something like that from happening. Which means less sick people which means we get through this faster.

I don’t want people to lose their job, apartment, savings, or not be able to pay their bills or buy groceries almost as much as I don’t want people to get sick, but not as much as I don’t want people to die.

We’ve done a poor job of educating people on why people should follow the recommendations.

(05-19-2020, 04:30 PM)Dill Wrote: Nail on the head there.

Our pandemic response institutions were total shambles when Trump took office, just like our military.

Cupboards were bare, especially in blue states, but Trump has refilled them starting from scratch, scraping up supplies wherever he could find them. Federal gov was forced to bid against states for supplies, that's the mess Obama left us.

Also, he is not making the rest of the country pay for Dem mismanagement of blue states. True leaders set priorities and communicate them clearly.

(05-19-2020, 04:58 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: We're all going to die.  I always seem to be shopping at the same exact time as one of those who like to pick up, scrutinize every single meat package on the shelf, prior to making their "final decision".  That is a peeve of mine, even in times of non-crisis.  Makes me want to shout in my sternest, most booming voice that I can muster, "Why must you, put your grimy hands on every effing package on the damn shelf??".

(05-19-2020, 05:21 PM)BmorePat87 Wrote: Kansas congressman and senate candidate Roger Marshall claimed that he and his family are taking hydroxychloroquine as a preventative. Marshall, a doctor, is facing a tough primary as he is being attacked by the right for not being as conservative as his opponent, Kris Kobach, the former Kansas sec of state known for his rampant Trump support and hardline stances against immigrants.  

https://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2020/05/19/us/politics/ap-us-virus-outbreak-kansas-marshall-malaria-drug.html