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RE: 2020 Election - oncemoreuntothejimbreech - 10-09-2020

(10-09-2020, 02:43 PM)bfine32 Wrote: I live in an upscale neighborhood. We have no Biden signs.

I think there have been less signs in general for both sides in my neighborhood. My neighbor who had Trump signs in his yard in 2016 hasn’t put up any signs this year.


RE: 2020 Election - GMDino - 10-09-2020

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-steel-insight/trump-steel-tariffs-bring-job-losses-to-swing-state-michigan-idUSKBN26U161


Quote:Trump steel tariffs bring job losses to swing state Michigan

By Rajesh Kumar Singh
10 MIN READ

CHICAGO(Reuters) - President Donald Trump promised a new dawn for the struggling U.S. steel industry in 2016, and the lure of new jobs in Midwestern states including Michigan helped him eke out a surprise election win.



Four years later, Great Lakes Works - once among the state’s largest steel plants - has shut down steelmaking operations and put 1,250 workers out of a job. A year before the June layoffs, plant owner United States Steel Corp called off a plan to invest $600 million in upgrades amid deteriorating market conditions.


Trump’s strategy centered on shielding U.S. steel mills from foreign competition with a 25% tariff imposed in March 2018. He also promised to boost steel demand through major investments in roads, bridges and other infrastructure.
But higher steel prices resulting from the tariffs dented demand from the Michigan-based U.S. auto industry and other steel consumers. And the Trump administration has never followed through on an infrastructure plan.

Michigan’s heavy reliance on the steel and auto industries puts Trump’s trade policy in sharp focus ahead of the Nov. 3 presidential election in this battleground state. Democrats say they aim to recapture the votes of blue-collar workers they lost to Trump four years ago - one key factor in his victory over Hillary Clinton. Trump won Michigan by less than one percent of the statewide vote total. The competition for the votes of often-unionized manufacturing workers - who historically have voted Democratic - will be just as fierce in the battleground states of Wisconsin and Pennsylvania, political analysts say.
Biden leads Trump in Michigan by 8 percentage points, according to a Reuters/Ipsos state opinion poll of likely voters conducted from Sept. 29 - Oct. 6, widening his lead from a few weeks earlier.

Nationally, the steel industry has been shedding jobs for the past year - since before the wider economic downturn caused by the COVID-19 pandemic - and now employs 1,900 fewer workers than it did when Trump took office, according to U.S. Labor Department data. (For a graphic on steel jobs, click tmsnrt.rs/2SRIEaF)

While the tariffs failed to boost overall steel employment, economists say they created higher costs for major steel consumers - killing jobs at companies including Detroit-based automakers General Motors Co and Ford Motor Co. Nationally, steel and aluminum tariffs resulted in at least 75,000 job losses in metal-using industries by the end of last year, according to an analysis by Lydia Cox, a Ph.D. candidate in economics at Harvard University, and Kadee Russ, an economics professor at the University of California, Davis. In all, they estimated, the trade war had caused a net loss of 175,000 U.S. manufacturing jobs by mid-2019.



In Michigan, steelmakers have served layoff notices to nearly 2,000 workers since the tariff took effect, according to a Reuters analysis of the notices steel companies filed with the state. The state’s primary metals manufacturing industry, which includes iron and steel mills, employed about 7,300 fewer workers in August than in March 2018, when Trump announced metal tariffs, according to data from Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis.

The steel-industry setbacks account for just a fraction of the job losses in Michigan’s manufacturing sector - which now employs 55,100 fewer workers than it did when Trump took office in January 2017, U.S. Labor Department data shows. The state’s automotive industry accounted for 35% of the manufacturing job losses, according to the St. Louis Fed.

Whether such statistics will change swing-state voters’ minds remains to be seen. Bill Wischman, a financial manager at a Ford manufacturing facility in Plymouth, Michigan, says Trump has done more to protect U.S. manufacturing than any of his predecessors.

“He has given a whole-hearted effort,” said Wischman, 51, a Republican who voted for Trump in 2016.

Bob Kemper, grievance committee chairman at Great Lakes Works’ chapter of the United Steelworkers (USW) Union, put the blame squarely on Trump for the job losses.

“I don’t see any policy that helped us,” said Kemper, who is backing Biden. “We are losing our damn jobs here.”

The 1.2 million-member United Steelworkers (USW) Union, which represents U.S. manufacturing workers in many industries, supported Clinton in the last election and will again back the Democrat this time. Kemper acknowledged that many of his co-workers voted for Trump in 2016 but says that support has diminished along with the fortunes of Michigan’s steel industry.



Trump made similar 2016 campaign promises to revive the ailing coal industry by rolling back environmental regulations. But that industry’s employment has dropped 9% since 2016, to about 46,000, as 66 coal plants - nearly a fifth of the U.S. total - have closed. The economic losses come despite the administration’s moves to ease restrictions including limits on carbon emissions and dumping coal waste into streams.

The Republican party in Michigan did not respond to requests for comment. White House Trade and Manufacturing Policy Director Peter Navarro did not answer questions from Reuters on the data showing job losses in steel and manufacturing.
When U.S. Steel idled Great Lakes Works, which primarily serves the automotive industry, it cited weak demand, lower steel prices and a new corporate strategy to invest in more cost-efficient technology. In May, Cleveland-Cliffs Inc said it was closing its hot strip steel mill and some other operations in the Detroit area and laying off 343 workers. It cited “rapidly deteriorating business conditions.”

A Cleveland-Cliffs spokeswoman did not answer questions about the impact of Trump’s trade policy on its business.
U.S. Steel defends Trump’s tariffs. Company spokeswoman Meghan Cox said the policy helps “ensure the strength of America’s steelmaking capacity during this pandemic.”

The firm’s shares have plunged about 82% since the beginning of March 2018 - the month Trump announced steel tariffs - compared with a 28% increase in the S&P 500 during the same period. U.S. steel prices are now 33% below their peak in May 2018 but remain 21% higher than the global market price because of tariffs - a gap that hurts the competitiveness of U.S. companies who fashion products from domestic steel.

“No matter what the tariff is, you cannot sell something if there is limited demand,” said Ned Hill, a professor of economic development at the Ohio State University.



‘THRIVING’ ENTERPRISE

Trump said at a Pennsylvania rally in August last year - as steel companies were grappling with falling demand and prices - that his tariff has turned a “dead” business into a “thriving” enterprise.

The tariffs did initially benefit companies including U.S. Steel and Nucor by limiting competition and boosting prices. In late 2018, U.S. Steel workers secured a cumulative 14% wage increase over a four-year period.

The tariffs also led to investment, said Jeff Ferry, chief economist at the Coalition for a Prosperous America, a bipartisan trade group. Older coal-fired plants such as Great Lakes Works closed because of outdated technology, he said.

“We are not doing this to save individual jobs” in the short term, Ferry said of the tariffs. “If you grow the industries, in the long term, headcount will grow.”

That’s little comfort to the workers laid off from Great Lakes Works, who have found it harder to get new jobs amid the pandemic, Kemper said. The twin cities of Ecorse and River Rouge - which depended heavily on tax revenue from the plant - are also hurting, the cities’ mayors said. Ecorse used to collect up to $6 million in property taxes from the mill - or half its revenue, said Mayor Lamar Indwell, a Democrat.

Many Democrats have supported steel tariffs. The Biden campaign did not respond to a request for comment on its steel trade policy. In a statement to USW in May, Biden said steel tariffs would remain until a global solution to limit excess production - largely in China - can be negotiated.


USW also supports tariffs but says the Trump administration undermined the policy by granting requests from steel-using U.S. manufacturers to exempt their imports - eliminating the advantage for domestic steel.

TARIFF HITS MICHIGAN AUTO FIRMS

The tariffs had a profound impact on steel consumers, industry experts say. All three Detroit automakers - General Motors, Ford and Fiat Chrysler Automobiles NV - have closed a plant in Michigan since January 2018, according to Kristin Dziczek, vice president of industry, labor and economics at the Center for Automotive Research. Both General Motors and Ford reported $1 billion each in increased steel cost in 2018.

GM declined to comment on the tariffs’ impact. A Ford spokeswoman said the automaker faced higher raw material costs in 2018 because it buys 95% of its steel from domestic suppliers. While raw steel prices have since come down, Ford’s manufacturing costs are still elevated because of U.S. tariffs on Chinese-made auto parts, she said. Retaliatory tariffs from China have also cut Ford’s vehicle exports to that country.

Companies further down the auto supply chain have also felt the impact of Trump’s trade policy.

Jeff Aznavorian, head of Michigan-based Clips & Clamps Industries, buys steel from U.S. mills to make metal and tool parts for Japanese and Detroit-based automakers. He said his company has lost contracts worth up to $3.6 million in the past two years. Competitors making parts in Canada and Mexico now have an advantage, he said, because steel costs have been lower in those countries.

Aznavorian said he may move some of his business overseas.

“I need to be in a place where I can buy raw material at a competitive price,” he said.



RE: 2020 Election - Big Boss - 10-09-2020

Wow.

https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1314627983471239168


RE: 2020 Election - Nately120 - 10-09-2020

(10-09-2020, 04:35 PM)Big Boss Wrote: Wow.

https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1314627983471239168

Is it gone already?   I see nooothing!


RE: 2020 Election - BigPapaKain - 10-09-2020

(10-09-2020, 04:06 PM)GMDino Wrote: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-steel-insight/trump-steel-tariffs-bring-job-losses-to-swing-state-michigan-idUSKBN26U161

So much winning. I'm tired of all the winning.


RE: 2020 Election - BigPapaKain - 10-09-2020

(10-09-2020, 04:41 PM)Nately120 Wrote: Is it gone already?   I see nooothing!

Its a clip of Trump talking bigly about Iran ***** with us. He uses the word ****.


RE: 2020 Election - Nately120 - 10-09-2020

(10-09-2020, 04:49 PM)BigPapaKain Wrote: Its a clip of Trump talking bigly about Iran ***** with us. He uses the word ****.

Are we talking the f-bomb here?

EDIT - Ok I looked it up. Seems he also said if he wins the election we will have a great deal with Iran in a month. I guess he's just been biding his time for the past 4 years to knock that out in no time, eh? Oh well.


RE: 2020 Election - masonbengals fan - 10-09-2020

The mullahs are praying for a Biden presidency so they can roll him for a few more planeloads of cash.


RE: 2020 Election - BmorePat87 - 10-09-2020

(10-09-2020, 02:38 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: That's some ****** up razors-in-candy shit right there. Just gotta wonder what the hell drives someone to do something so wrong and weird.


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Side Note: Bizarre law right there. 33ft from the road?  29ft is enough for a 4 lane road. I wonder where that number came from. Does everyone even have 33ft from the road to their home?

it also makes you realize someone is out there measuring and narcing to the city.

I see that former stripper turned crazy internet fanatic Kim Klacik's signs all over in illegal spots, I don't call the county lol.


RE: 2020 Election - BmorePat87 - 10-09-2020

https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/520400-trump-calls-into-rush-limbaughs-show-for-two-hours?fbclid=IwAR1Je1FO3xuR4ctt7S96V0u6QqPJ8CdBgKFuD-_Pr5X9HvBDe5b3SDd82R4

I guess this beats him watching TV for 5 straight hours?


RE: 2020 Election - BmorePat87 - 10-09-2020

Trump is gonna go on Tucker Carlson for a live interview and have a medical exam by a doctor who contributes for Fox News. Granted this doctor has been known to spread misinformation on Covid, but this is the circus that is 2020.


RE: 2020 Election - Nately120 - 10-09-2020

(10-09-2020, 08:31 PM)BmorePat87 Wrote: Trump is gonna go on Tucker Carlson for a live interview and have a medical exam by a doctor who contributes for Fox News. Granted this doctor has been known to spread misinformation on Covid, but this is the circus that is 2020.

Do no harm, indeed. 


RE: 2020 Election - Benton - 10-09-2020

(10-09-2020, 08:31 PM)BmorePat87 Wrote: Trump is gonna go on Tucker Carlson for a live interview and have a medical exam by a doctor who contributes for Fox News. Granted this doctor has been known to spread misinformation on Covid, but this is the circus that is 2020.

(10-09-2020, 08:39 PM)Nately120 Wrote: Do no harm, indeed. 

I'm curious if he's going to keep touting regeneron now that it's out about the use of aborted fetus's. My guess is he's just going to downplay the drug and talk about his constitution.


RE: 2020 Election - BigPapaKain - 10-09-2020

(10-09-2020, 08:48 PM)Benton Wrote: I'm curious if he's going to keep touting regeneron now that it's out about the use of aborted fetus's. My guess is he's just going to downplay the drug and talk about his constitution.

I'd take that bet, but it'll be quicker to just Venmo you the money now and save myself from having to watch that train wreck.


RE: 2020 Election - GMDino - 10-12-2020

Hey remember way back a day or so ago when the POTUS and his minions were claiming that Democrat voter fraud would be used to rig the election?

That was a fun time.  Anyway...


 



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RE: 2020 Election - BmorePat87 - 10-12-2020

Lindsey Graham said this weekend that anyone who is Black or an immigrant can go anywhere in South Carolina... as long as they are conservative not liberal.

He really doesn't want to return to the Senate.


RE: 2020 Election - GMDino - 10-12-2020

(10-12-2020, 11:46 AM)BmorePat87 Wrote: Lindsey Graham said this weekend that anyone who is Black or an immigrant can go anywhere in South Carolina... as long as they are conservative not liberal.

He really doesn't want to return to the Senate.

 


Personally I thought he meant "go anywhere" as in "succeed" even though that is not what he said. 


But I'll let the "don't twist people's words" people to tell me what he really meant vs what he said I guess.  Mellow


RE: 2020 Election - BmorePat87 - 10-12-2020

Idaho mans in Trump shirt pulls gun on a group of teens after they have a debate with him Trump regarding Trump on a haunted ride.

Deranged man: everyone chill out
Teen girl: You're the one with a gun

https://dc101.iheart.com/content/2020-10-12-drunk-trump-supporter-loses-argument-with-children-pulls-gun-on-them/?Pname=local_social&Sc=editorial&Keyid=socialflow&fbclid=IwAR2B1gElUnNAgi8tzE8ZB7jO8I4YTLOXs1m4yZmU0i9MCvO3vs7sfiEVmf4


RE: 2020 Election - PhilHos - 10-12-2020

(10-12-2020, 08:55 AM)GMDino Wrote: Hey remember way back a day or so ago when the POTUS and his minions were claiming that Democrat voter fraud would be used to rig the election?

That was a fun time.  Anyway...


 



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Remember when Democrats said voter fraud wasn't a real thing? Seems we ALL were wrong.  Smirk


RE: 2020 Election - GMDino - 10-12-2020

(10-12-2020, 12:41 PM)PhilHos Wrote: Remember when Democrats said voter fraud wasn't a real thing? Seems we ALL were wrong.  Smirk

Truth.  The GOP isn't above anything to save Donald J Trump I guess.

I suppose when we were all saying they were putting party over country we were right.