(08-10-2021, 10:01 PM)Big_Ern Wrote: It took like 4 seconds though. Not sure Joe will have that kind of time. Would have to be a bootleg 

(08-10-2021, 08:23 PM)PDub80 Wrote: I just don't get keeping the foot on the gas of the negativity train.

(08-09-2021, 05:14 PM)jj22 Wrote: Aside from the Sewell/Chase debate.

More bad press on a top pick.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2021/08/09/should-the-jamarr-chase-expectations-be-tempered/


This after Hobsin mentioned the struggles.

Will we have another Burrow/Herbert situation on our hands this season with Chase/Waddle (who has had a great camp)? Even if wideout was the right pick, is the bad press coming from all camps even the home page an alarming sign?

It's still early to panic, but admittedly this has been a rough start for our top 2 picks, and the reviews haven't been what we all would have hoped.

(08-10-2021, 11:07 PM)Frank Booth Wrote: like you and Dalton?

(08-10-2021, 11:37 PM)ezekiel23 Wrote: Would Chase look better if Burrow was sharper on his passes? For most of camp,Burrow has struggled.I saw a pass to Chase where Awuzie was defending,and Chase had a step on him but it was slightly underthrown,resulting in an incompletion,as Awuzie batted it down.But I have confidence that Chase and Burrow will get on track before opening day.

(08-10-2021, 02:16 PM)SadFaceBengal15 Wrote: How many of those weapons are utilized if Brady isn’t protected by the best oline in the league???  Yea they had weapons and I agree especially with the way offenses are today u need weapons but I’ll never concede u need weapons before protection upfront.  Especially when u already have good weapons and a terrible offensive line.  There’s a reason people say u build inside out.  With burrow already destroyed how we are in this offensive line issue again is baffling to me.  Brady has never needed weapons hes needed protection cuz he’s never been mobile... it wasn’t until Brady’s game dipped did he start asking and needing more weapons but Brady has always had and needed good protection upfront always...first and foremost.  Now Brady needs good protection and weapons.  Also it’s not like we didn’t have weapons before chase we had two young thousand yard capable wide receivers an elite franchise qb and a top running back.  Sure we could use another receiver but more than an elite offensive lineman hahahahaha naw y’all are high and to be here is bitter sweet cuz those of us who wanted a offensive lineman knew this day was coming where we are back to desperate for more olineman help

(08-10-2021, 11:15 AM)SadFaceBengal15 Wrote: Lol fair enough but my point is that when u take a guy fifth overall I understand losing the occasional battle here and there but hearing that he’s Had a lot of drops to hear he’s not winning jump balls and to hear he can’t consistently create separation is not what ur supposed to hear about ur 5th overall pick.

(08-10-2021, 11:50 PM)PDub80 Wrote: 10 year vet QB who underachieved with loaded rosters, filled his pants in prime time as well as playoff games, and is no longer on the Bengals vs rookie WR who had a year off and has had 1 week of padded practice?

Yeah... lot's of parallels to be seen there. 

(08-11-2021, 09:27 AM)XenoMorph Wrote: Lol at loaded rosters.... He had one maybe 1 year when it was fully healthy.

(08-11-2021, 09:56 AM)Frank Booth Wrote: The dude still has Dalton as his profile pic

Very unhealthy relationship pdub has with the old qb

(08-11-2021, 12:02 PM)NUGDUKWE Wrote: I agree with Xenomorph. Only 1 of those years the team was fully healthy for the playoff game anyway ( the chargers game ) But I think we can all agree Dalton had his limitations. But 5 straight playoff years is nothing to shake a stick at either.

(08-11-2021, 12:02 PM)NUGDUKWE Wrote: I agree with Xenomorph. Only 1 of those years the team was fully healthy for the playoff game anyway ( the chargers game ) But I think we can all agree Dalton had his limitations. But 5 straight playoff years is nothing to shake a stick at either.

As far as Chase I'm excited he's on the team and what's done is done as far as the picks. But when we could of taken an OL at 5 or even traded back a few spots and got more picks in 1 and got an OL that could've started today (barring injury) then instead we wait until the 2nd when ppl are saying we can still get a starter in 2 and that guy is atleast having some struggles. It really raises the bar for Chase to live up to the hype and quickly. Maybe that not fair and Chase and even Carman deserve time to adjust and become either elite or valuable starters. But the problem is we have more time for Chase to adjust than Carman. We can't go into the season trying to throw 45 times a game while our QB gets hit like crazy again.

I would feel alot better about the situation if Zac Taylor and his coaching staff were a little quicker about making adjustments to the playcalling throughout the season instead of just going with the status quo until the wheels fall off.

(08-11-2021, 12:55 PM)Frank Booth Wrote: agreed. 2013 and 2015 were the only times they were actually loaded


2013 was a complete choke job, and 2015 we had a back up qb. Still choked that too

(08-11-2021, 09:19 AM)SHRacerX Wrote: It's such a tired argument, but I will give it one (probably not last) try:

Drafting Chase did not prevent the Bengals from drafting an elite offensive line prospect.  That is what they see in Carman, and they were able to slide and get two additional 4th rounders (one of which seems to be pushing him for playing time already) to further help fill out the roster.

Carman's performance thus far seems largely attached to a lack of conditioning.  I get why the coaches might be disgruntled there, but I remember that Carman wasn't able to show at the Clemson Pro Day because he had put off surgery to correct a herniated disc in his back and played through it the last four games of the season to try and win another title. 

I'm sure he was given a clean bill of health early enough to get in shape, but maybe he had some remaining fatigue from his senior year.  Whatever the issue, I have faith that it will be corrected and Carman will be performing on our line for a long time to come. 

It is easy to forget that they also signed Riley Reiff, a former first rounder and a solid tackle prospect.  Not to mention the re-signing of Spain, who helped stabilize the line last year and played at three different positions.  

I also believe the Bengals are waiting to see what shakes free on cut day (or maybe a trade to the Saints, who just lost their kicker for Seibert?) to further enhance the offensive line.  

The two are NOT mutually exclusive.  Drafting Chase wasn't ignoring the offensive line.  

(08-11-2021, 02:09 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: I haven't even heard anything about Carman struggling, he was just put lower on the depth chart initially cause he came in a bit 
overweight is what I have been hearing and last I heard he was back to starting again at RG. We don't know if Sewell would be 
struggling right now in TC at Guard either as that is also where he would have to start except when Reiff or Jonah rest.

If XSF beats out Carman at RG so be it, XSF was our best Guard last season according to PFF. When we had Spain and XSF out 
there last season we were much better in the interior and it helped the entire OL. It isn't the end of the world if Carman doesn't
start game 1, we just need to have the best 5 out there and our depth improved which is our biggest weakness.

But yeah, Taylor shouldn't have us throwing the ball 50+ times, that is BS even if we are down. Run the ball, what is nice is I 
have been hearing the Wide Zone concept Pollack has been implementing has been doing good run blocking which is great news.

(08-09-2021, 06:37 PM)George Cantstandya Wrote: Way too early to tell. Keep in mind he didn't even play last year so getting back up to speed might take some time.   But I will say this.  It seems there are some here that are kind of wishing Chase isn't great and Carman is a bust just so they can say, "I told you so."