(08-13-2022, 04:09 PM)Nately120 Wrote: They're just going to riot over something else. 

(08-13-2022, 04:14 PM)hollodero Wrote: Possibly. To be clear, I am not advocating appeasement. I just feel many are bending in that direction.

(08-13-2022, 03:42 PM)BengalHawk62 Wrote: I’d bet my last dollar that Trump walks free from this. Maybe even walks back into the White House. I just don’t see him getting what the majority of us here want him to get.


I just don’t understand this one simple fact. IF he’s guilty of all this, why is he still walking free and not locked up already? If this was you or me, we’d already be taken away in cuffs and never see the light of day again.

(08-13-2022, 04:07 PM)hollodero Wrote: Yeah sure, I'm just saying. A careful/hesitant person, like Garland seems to be, might shy away from indictments. Trump, in that sense, is above the law. Not as much as his supporters want him to be, but still.

(08-13-2022, 12:31 PM)hollodero Wrote: I have to say though, that's where I share some of the media critizism. That there are nuclear secrets within the documents Trump took is very much unconfirmed, and yet it's reported and speculated about everywhere. I don't really understand that impulse.

(08-13-2022, 06:19 PM)Dill Wrote: Let's start with this: 

The records seized did not belong to Trump; they belonged to the government. The BIG question is why he took and kept them at all; though such action is not inconsistent with his previous lax treatment of intel, in terms of volume 27 boxes is just off the charts unprecedented.

That unprecedented action, like many others of Trump, forced unprecedented reaction from the DOJ--the issuance of a search warrant to regain the records after Trump lied to the NARA: "I have turned over everything requested."

Once Trump announced the "raid," and his party and news organization began denouncing the action as "unnecessary" and yet another "weaponization of government against the people," it was inevitable that the warrant and some list of seized materials would fall into public discussion, with the MSM explaining the legal implications and possible consequences, and Fox following Trump denouncing the search, claiming he could "de-classify" classified intel, and giving airtime to people speculating about planted evidence and FBI agents touring Melania's panty drawer.

Drawing out the implications of the Espionage Act violation made unprecedented mention of "nuclear" documents inevitable, though in the MSM news shows, people have been generally careful to note that 1) "nuclear" doesn't necessarily mean bomb secrets, 2) it can include assessments of other countries' policies and capabilities, and 3) no president can unilaterally declassify nuclear top secrets; that would route through the Department of Energy. Trump would not have the last say.  Trump's possession of such dangerous documents likely triggered the search, taking control of their recovery away from the unreliable and recalcitrant Trump. 

I share your unease regarding public discussion of all these topics. I should add that, again, our allies have to be concerned about sharing intel with us if we cannot secure it. (Israelis especially.) And the TOP SECURITY THREAT in this respect could become the next president of the U.S.

(08-13-2022, 06:19 PM)Dill Wrote: Let's start with this: 

The records seized did not belong to Trump; they belonged to the government. The BIG question is why he took and kept them at all; though such action is not inconsistent with his previous lax treatment of intel, in terms of volume 27 boxes is just off the charts unprecedented.

That unprecedented action, like many others of Trump, forced unprecedented reaction from the DOJ--the issuance of a search warrant to regain the records after Trump lied to the NARA: "I have turned over everything requested."

Once Trump announced the "raid," and his party and news organization began denouncing the action as "unnecessary" and yet another "weaponization of government against the people," it was inevitable that the warrant and some list of seized materials would fall into public discussion, with the MSM explaining the legal implications and possible consequences, and Fox following Trump denouncing the search, claiming he could "de-classify" classified intel, and giving airtime to people speculating about planted evidence and FBI agents touring Melania's panty drawer.

Drawing out the implications of the Espionage Act violation made unprecedented mention of "nuclear" documents inevitable, though in the MSM news shows, people have been generally careful to note that 1) "nuclear" doesn't necessarily mean bomb secrets, 2) it can include assessments of other countries' policies and capabilities, and 3) no president can unilaterally declassify nuclear top secrets; that would route through the Department of Energy. Trump would not have the last say.  Trump's possession of such dangerous documents likely triggered the search, taking control of their recovery away from the unreliable and recalcitrant Trump. 

I share your unease regarding public discussion of all these topics. I should add that, again, our allies have to be concerned about sharing intel with us if we cannot secure it. (Israelis especially.) And the TOP SECURITY THREAT in this respect could become the next president of the U.S.

(08-14-2022, 02:36 AM)guyofthetiger Wrote: My point is the main stream media keeps changing what is reported. And people believe it. There are numerous false reports and I see no retractions. The press just says something without being held accountable. BTW Hillary Clinton had a server at her home with classified information and was never charged.

(08-14-2022, 12:03 AM)Nately120 Wrote: How certain is it that the FBI had an insider at Mar a Lago or someone who was on team Trump snitched?  MTG and other conservatives leaders are already pointing out that someone, probably an aide, is a traitor.  Now, we can get into the logic of saying someone is a traitor to the country for pointing out a crime of this magnitude, but even still...I'd be sweating if I were any sort of Trump aide or insider.  Conservatives are out for ya.

(08-13-2022, 02:50 PM)Dill Wrote: Yes, at least one folder/set of documents does reach the highest level of secrecy.

(08-14-2022, 11:28 AM)Goalpost Wrote: I believe you are right on this.  One reaches the highest level.  Yesterday I posted something different per an interview I watched.  But one reaches the TS/SCI level per how Bels listed the categories in a post yesterday.

(08-14-2022, 12:01 PM)pally Wrote: Trump has a new story about the documents seized.  They were actually legal documents covered by the attorney-client privilege.  He wants them back.

(08-14-2022, 01:17 PM)samhain Wrote: And apparently some patriot set his car on fire, drove it onto a barricade at the capitol, exited the vehicle and started firing a gun.  Just like Paul Revere.

(08-14-2022, 01:33 PM)Nately120 Wrote: Early reports are that he shot himself.  Bizarre stuff.  Maybe we find out more about him, maybe he was a false flag.  Maybe the FBI shot him. May be he never existed at all. 

(08-14-2022, 01:33 PM)Nately120 Wrote: Early reports are that he shot himself.  Bizarre stuff.  Maybe we find out more about him, maybe he was a false flag.  Maybe the FBI shot him. May be he never existed at all. 

(08-14-2022, 01:37 PM)samhain Wrote: These crisis actors are really into their craft.  

Quote:Trump’s fiercest defenders here seem to be people who don’t like him, didn’t vote for him, and in fact, don’t actually care at all.

The Nickelback of Presidents. 50 million albums sold and nobody bought one.