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Swiss deny citizenship to Muslim girls who balked at swimming with boys - GMDino - 07-05-2016 http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2016/06/28/swiss-deny-citizenship-muslim-girls-who-balked-swimming-boys/86469658/ Quote:GENEVA — In the latest move to deny citizenship to those who balk at Swiss culture, authorities rejected the naturalization application of two Muslim girls who refused to take school swimming lessons because boys were present. Soooo....which "American customs" should we enforce before we allow citizenship? RE: Swiss deny citizenship to Muslim girls who balked at swimming with boys - BmorePat87 - 07-05-2016 Next time listen to your teachers. RE: Swiss deny citizenship to Muslim girls who balked at swimming with boys - Nebuchadnezzar - 07-05-2016 Is it their law? I'm not clear on this since it doesn't say but there is a fine for not "Shaking Hands" with the teacher. Eh, who cares? It's Switzerland and not the United States. RE: Swiss deny citizenship to Muslim girls who balked at swimming with boys - masterpanthera_t - 07-05-2016 Swiss culture and especially history, being different than the U.S., I don't have a problem with their not granting citizenship rights based on what they feel is best for their society. The fact that these families have been given residency privileges is sufficient IMO. The reasons for rejecting seem very minor (maybe because they're not allowing certain exemptions on religious grounds, especially due to things that don't seem to be very serious to me to begin with), but, again if they are enforcing these rules "equally" and with discretion in "good faith", then I can only say that they are doing things which are right for their country and they have no obligation to take a foreign culture into account. Because U.S history and culture is different I don't think we could do the same thing here, on such minor reasons, unless we can clearly show that it's an existential threat to our principles and/or country. And by that I mean constitutional principles. With freedom of religion being a right here, this wouldn't stand up in America. RE: Swiss deny citizenship to Muslim girls who balked at swimming with boys - Rotobeast - 07-05-2016 (07-05-2016, 10:04 AM)GMDino Wrote: http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2016/06/28/swiss-deny-citizenship-muslim-girls-who-balked-swimming-boys/86469658/ Whatever we force on our current citizens. RE: Swiss deny citizenship to Muslim girls who balked at swimming with boys - Benton - 07-05-2016 (07-05-2016, 11:46 AM)Rotobeast Wrote: Whatever we force on our current citizens. That's pretty much along my thinking. If we require everyone to know algebra, have a 2.0 gpa and know how to dance the Charleston... then everyone has to know algebra, have a 2.0 gpa and know how to dance the Charleston. Religion shouldn't factor into that. RE: Swiss deny citizenship to Muslim girls who balked at swimming with boys - NATI BENGALS - 07-05-2016 Maybe we should be making all the little fattys take swim classes too. RE: Swiss deny citizenship to Muslim girls who balked at swimming with boys - BFritz21 - 07-05-2016 (07-05-2016, 12:14 PM)Benton Wrote: That's pretty much along my thinking. If we require everyone to know algebra, have a 2.0 gpa and know how to dance the Charleston... then everyone has to know algebra, have a 2.0 gpa and know how to dance the Charleston. Religion shouldn't factor into that. I agree but then then the problem comes in with freedom of religion. It's all ridiculous and they should be forced to do all of the same things as everyone else, but it's one of the loopholes in having the freedoms that being a citizen entails. It's one of the downfalls of this country, IMO, but there's not much you can do about it without causing a huge shitstorm. Eventually, it will literally be like this with almost everything and almost everything will be challenged for violating some type of religious freedom or personal freedom. RE: Swiss deny citizenship to Muslim girls who balked at swimming with boys - BFritz21 - 07-05-2016 This is taking it to an extreme but just plays into my previous post in that I think you should be forced to follow the rules of the country and abide by the standards set to enjoy the freedoms, not the other way around (you don't get the freedoms before following the rules and standards set-forth by the country). RE: Swiss deny citizenship to Muslim girls who balked at swimming with boys - Benton - 07-05-2016 (07-05-2016, 04:35 PM)BFritz21 Wrote: I agree but then then the problem comes in with freedom of religion. I'm not exactly arguing, but it's a little different. Freedom of religion allows you to practice your beliefs, but it doesn't (in most cases) give you a free pass on stuff you don't like to do. Even if your reason for not doing it is religious based. Most religious people could argue they don't have to pay state or federal taxes if they tithe, but that wouldn't get them out of April. Paying taxes is covered by numerous laws. But that's different than opting not to say the pledge of allegiance because of a religious belief, since saying the pledge is not required by law or statute. In this case, a physical fitness requirement wasn't met. I don't know a lot about their legal or education systems, but it's not really that much different than a school here flunking someone because they're Baptist and decided they didn't have to listen to a female principal. The flunked student would still be flunked. RE: Swiss deny citizenship to Muslim girls who balked at swimming with boys - BmorePat87 - 07-05-2016 Freedom of Religion is one of the downfalls of this country? RE: Swiss deny citizenship to Muslim girls who balked at swimming with boys - Au165 - 07-05-2016 (07-05-2016, 05:30 PM)BmorePat87 Wrote: Freedom of Religion is one of the downfalls of this country? Apparently RE: Swiss deny citizenship to Muslim girls who balked at swimming with boys - Millhouse - 07-05-2016 The Swiss are definitely strict about who they will allow to become citizens. Glad the article included the American that lived there 40 years and was denied it because he was basically a loner there. So it isnt just because the girls are Muslim. And if a Muslim or Christian or Buddhist has a problem with the Swiss on this, then move to another country. When in Rome do as the... RE: Swiss deny citizenship to Muslim girls who balked at swimming with boys - bfine32 - 07-05-2016 (07-05-2016, 05:38 PM)Millhouse Wrote: The Swiss are definitely strict about who they will allow to become citizens. Glad the article included the American that lived there 40 years and was denied it because he was basically a loner there. So it isnt just because the girls are Muslim. And if a Muslim or Christian or Buddhist has a problem with the Swiss on this, then move to another country. When in Rome do as the... This is where I'm at with this. If you want to be a citizen of a country you must follow its mandates. How hard is it? RE: Swiss deny citizenship to Muslim girls who balked at swimming with boys - McC - 07-05-2016 (07-05-2016, 10:04 AM)GMDino Wrote: http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2016/06/28/swiss-deny-citizenship-muslim-girls-who-balked-swimming-boys/86469658/ This is very simple. You don't want to follow their rules, don't go there. RE: Swiss deny citizenship to Muslim girls who balked at swimming with boys - GMDino - 07-05-2016 (07-05-2016, 05:41 PM)bfine32 Wrote: This is where I'm at with this. If you want to be a citizen of a country you must follow its mandates. How hard is it? And which mandates, as I asked, are required to be an American citizen? RE: Swiss deny citizenship to Muslim girls who balked at swimming with boys - NATI BENGALS - 07-05-2016 Eating bacon. And unafraid to show off your body no matter how hideously obese it may be. RE: Swiss deny citizenship to Muslim girls who balked at swimming with boys - Sociopathicsteelerfan - 07-05-2016 (07-05-2016, 07:04 PM)GMDino Wrote: And which mandates, as I asked, are required to be an American citizen? An odd question to ask in a thread about Swiss naturalization. A thread you started I might add. RE: Swiss deny citizenship to Muslim girls who balked at swimming with boys - GMDino - 07-05-2016 (07-05-2016, 10:21 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: An odd question to ask in a thread about Swiss naturalization. A thread you started I might add. Thinking outside the box a bit here SSF... It is in relation to all the threads about banning "certain" immigrants for "certain" reasons. Given this story from Switzerland how would we apply it here? RE: Swiss deny citizenship to Muslim girls who balked at swimming with boys - Sociopathicsteelerfan - 07-05-2016 (07-05-2016, 10:34 PM)GMDino Wrote: Thinking outside the box a bit here SSF... The main proponent of that has been given the axe. My only requirements would be learn the language and follow the mores/laws. |