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Cloned Humans - Nebuchadnezzar - 06-30-2015
I know cloning a human has been outlawed around the world but we all know someone somewhere is working on it. Once the process has been perfected and the world accepts cloned humans, what kind of rights, if any will be given to cloned humans?
RE: Cloned Humans - StLucieBengal - 06-30-2015
Isn't GB working to clone a human?
They should not have any rights. they would be like robots.
RE: Cloned Humans - BmorePat87 - 06-30-2015
(06-30-2015, 09:10 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: They should not have any rights. they would be like robots.
Spoken like a true libertarian
Cloned or born naturally, they are a human that is afforded the same rights as everyone else. They would not be the property of someone else.
RE: Cloned Humans - Johnny Cupcakes - 06-30-2015
(06-30-2015, 09:00 PM)Nebuchadnezzar Wrote: I know cloning a human has been outlawed around the world but we all know someone somewhere is working on it. Once the process has been perfected and the world accepts cloned humans, what kind of rights, if any will be given to cloned humans?
What other kind of rights would they get? All humans deserve the same human rights.
RE: Cloned Humans - Benton - 06-30-2015
(06-30-2015, 09:10 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: Isn't GB working to clone a human?
They should not have any rights. they would be like robots.
We don't need a slave race. If it has human DNA, if it is a human by all measurements, then it's a human. All rights would be the same.
RE: Cloned Humans - StLucieBengal - 06-30-2015
(06-30-2015, 09:48 PM)Benton Wrote: We don't need a slave race. If it has human DNA, if it is a human by all measurements, then it's a human. All rights would be the same.
All depends their roll in the world .
Are they merely just going to be a personal organ harvest? Or are they going to actually live a life?
If we are going to let themruun around like people then yeah but I don't see that ever happening. Multiple copies of people running around would just be dangerous.
RE: Cloned Humans - StLucieBengal - 06-30-2015
(06-30-2015, 09:17 PM)BmorePat87 Wrote: Spoken like a true libertarian
Cloned or born naturally, they are a human that is afforded the same rights as everyone else. They would not be the property of someone else.
so your ok with me having 100 copies of myself This way I have my own assassins, my own workers, my own thiefs, they all have my DNA so no way we know who is responsible.
At least with robots there is a way to know who is up to shenanigans.
RE: Cloned Humans - BmorePat87 - 06-30-2015
(06-30-2015, 09:56 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: so your ok with me having 100 copies of myself This way I have my own assassins, my own workers, my own thiefs, they all have my DNA so no way we know who is responsible.
At least with robots there is a way to know who is up to shenanigans.
It certainly will pose some issues when it comes to identifying who is responsible for a crime, but they can still act in those same roles if they're your "slaves".
There is no argument that will stand up to our Constitution for making clones our slaves or using them to harvest organs. Now, you can clone your own organs (and not the rest of the body), but any human who is cloned will immediately receive all of their rights.
RE: Cloned Humans - Benton - 06-30-2015
(06-30-2015, 09:51 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: All depends their roll in the world .
Are they merely just going to be a personal organ harvest? Or are they going to actually live a life?
If we are going to let themruun around like people then yeah but I don't see that ever happening. Multiple copies of people running around would just be dangerous.
Considering them as people ends the idea of using them for organ harvest. IE, you couldn't clone them for that purpose as they have rights the same way you can't conceive a child and force them to give you a kidney when yours blows out.
RE: Cloned Humans - SteelCitySouth - 06-30-2015
fingerprints are not the same
RE: Cloned Humans - CKwi88 - 06-30-2015
I actually don't think that there will be human clones, barring some sort of catastrophic event that would necessitate more research in the field. While it is certainly theoretically possible, I think that the ethical aspects will prevent developed nations from doing it, and those that don't care about the ethical questions will never be able to get that far.
But for the sake of discussion, I'd have to say that a functioning human clone would and should receive all the rights of a natural born human.
RE: Cloned Humans - Nately120 - 06-30-2015
(06-30-2015, 09:56 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: so your ok with me having 100 copies of myself This way I have my own assassins, my own workers, my own thiefs, they all have my DNA so no way we know who is responsible.
At least with robots there is a way to know who is up to shenanigans.
Well sure it's easy to oppose something when your perception of what it is going to be is absolutely insane. I also have to say that it's pretty interesting you fully believe that clones of you would be running amok, stealing things and killing people.
If I could clone myself I'd probably form a band where the last one of us to be cloned would be forced to be the bass player.
RE: Cloned Humans - Nebuchadnezzar - 07-01-2015
I don't know how the world would react to cloned humans. I think if the technology were developed to perfect cloning, non cloned humans would put restrictions on clones turning them into property and affording them the same rights as pets.
But that's my cynical view of the world.
RE: Cloned Humans - StLucieBengal - 07-01-2015
(06-30-2015, 10:02 PM)BmorePat87 Wrote: It certainly will pose some issues when it comes to identifying who is responsible for a crime, but they can still act in those same roles if they're your "slaves".
There is no argument that will stand up to our Constitution for making clones our slaves or using them to harvest organs. Now, you can clone your own organs (and not the rest of the body), but any human who is cloned will immediately receive all of their rights.
Why have clones then? Maybe if we were in a Logan's Run scenario. But I just don't see why we would have them .
I'm not advocating slavery btw .... Just don't see the need for them. we don't have a lack of people problem.
RE: Cloned Humans - StLucieBengal - 07-01-2015
(06-30-2015, 10:54 PM)Nately120 Wrote: Well sure it's easy to oppose something when your perception of what it is going to be is absolutely insane. I also have to say that it's pretty interesting you fully believe that clones of you would be running amok, stealing things and killing people.
If I could clone myself I'd probably form a band where the last one of us to be cloned would be forced to be the bass player.
The Cloned Nately's
I just don't see the point of them. I don't want mirror images of me running around. I have see enough orphan black to know it's not gonna be a nice Clone Club.
RE: Cloned Humans - RICHMONDBENGAL_07 - 07-01-2015
(07-01-2015, 02:20 AM)StLucieBengal Wrote: Why have clones then? Maybe if we were in a Logan's Run scenario. But I just don't see why we would have them .
I'm not advocating slavery btw .... Just don't see the need for them. we don't have a lack of people problem.
I don't think that anyone is suggesting that cloning is a good idea. As far as I can tell it is a hypothetical question as to, "if" it were to happen, would they have the same rights? So far the majority says yes they would.
RE: Cloned Humans - StLucieBengal - 07-01-2015
(07-01-2015, 02:28 AM)RICHMONDBENGAL_07 Wrote: I don't think that anyone is suggesting that cloning is a good idea. As far as I can tell it is a hypothetical question as to, "if" it were to happen, would they have the same rights? So far the majority says yes they would.
A lot of identity issues. I can't see them having equal rights if they can walk around and be another person. By that simple fact would we not be invading the host's rights?
If there is a way to ensure identity isn't an issue then yes I can go along with it... But too many questions to say definitively yes or no really.
RE: Cloned Humans - RICHMONDBENGAL_07 - 07-01-2015
(07-01-2015, 02:41 AM)StLucieBengal Wrote: A lot of identity issues. I can't see them having equal rights if they can walk around and be another person. By that simple fact would we not be invading the host's rights?
If there is a way to ensure identity isn't an issue then yes I can go along with it... But too many questions to say definitively yes or no really.
We can certainly agree that cloning wouldn't be a good idea. Whether a person is naturally born or "cloned" a person is a person, a human being. I guess legislation would evolve with new technology.
RE: Cloned Humans - StLucieBengal - 07-01-2015
(07-01-2015, 02:50 AM)RICHMONDBENGAL_07 Wrote: We can certainly agree that cloning wouldn't be a good idea. Whether a person is naturally born or "cloned" a person is a person, a human being. I guess legislation would evolve with new technology.
Yeah it would have to.... A lot of concerns, but minus all identity concerns I would support it
RE: Cloned Humans - BmorePat87 - 07-01-2015
(07-01-2015, 02:20 AM)StLucieBengal Wrote: Why have clones then? Maybe if we were in a Logan's Run scenario. But I just don't see why we would have them .
I'm not advocating slavery btw .... Just don't see the need for them. we don't have a lack of people problem.
Why is irrelevant. They're humans. They are afforded all rights.