08-15-2017, 09:56 AM
Your anger and ego will always reveal your true self.
Alt-right rallies in Charlottesville, VA
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08-15-2017, 10:02 AM
(08-15-2017, 09:56 AM)GMDino Wrote: From a legal standpoint, I don't agree with this nor do I think you can make the argument that they're inciting ethnic cleansing by just waving flags and looking like complete douche bags with their fascist shields and tiki torches. I also don't think the courts would agree that those actions amount to that.
08-15-2017, 10:15 AM
(08-15-2017, 10:02 AM)BmorePat87 Wrote: From a legal standpoint, I don't agree with this nor do I think you can make the argument that they're inciting ethnic cleansing by just waving flags and looking like complete douche bags with their fascist shields and tiki torches. https://legaldictionary.net/symbolic-speech/ Quote:Freedom of Speech and Symbolism Your anger and ego will always reveal your true self.
08-15-2017, 10:17 AM
(08-14-2017, 10:42 PM)Matt_Crimson Wrote: Whether people think Trump's condemnation of the KKK, and Nazi's was genuine, I don't think you can dismiss the fact that Trump had the balls to actually stand up there and say that. I honestly didn't expect him to, and I doubt many who don't like him did either. and it only took them what, 2 days? they must have waited to draft the "condemnation" and the "press conference" for when bannon was on the shitter
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08-15-2017, 10:17 AM
(08-15-2017, 10:15 AM)GMDino Wrote: https://legaldictionary.net/symbolic-speech/ Pretty much summed up what I said. That's why you're allowed to organize a protest and wave the flag. Even the previously ruling of the KKK saying they need to "take revenge" on black people and jews was over turned and allowed.
08-15-2017, 10:48 AM
Whelp...Trump wants us to talk about something else besides how long it took him to condemn Nazis;
Your anger and ego will always reveal your true self.
08-15-2017, 10:49 AM
(08-15-2017, 10:17 AM)BmorePat87 Wrote: Pretty much summed up what I said. That's why you're allowed to organize a protest and wave the flag. Even the previously ruling of the KKK saying they need to "take revenge" on black people and jews was over turned and allowed. There was more and other links. I'm still thinking that "inciting" is not covered but I didn't find the exact wording...so I'll admit that the comic is not 100% right at the point. Your anger and ego will always reveal your true self.
08-15-2017, 10:55 AM
(08-15-2017, 10:49 AM)GMDino Wrote: There was more and other links. I'm still thinking that "inciting" is not covered but I didn't find the exact wording...so I'll admit that the comic is not 100% right at the point. I'm not saying inciting is protected, I'm saying waving a flag doesn't amount to inciting ethnic cleansing or violence in general. Your quote even referenced how the KKK are allowed to call for "revenge" and the courts ultimately decided it wasn't inciting violence.
08-15-2017, 11:46 AM
(08-15-2017, 10:17 AM)Griever Wrote: and it only took them what, 2 days? You and everyone else say that like 2 days is an eternity. If Trump had taken a month to acknowledge anything then yeah, I'd be critical. While Trump didnt specifically denounce the KKK, Nazis etc.... he did initially respond to what happened and denounced the violence the same day it happened. People got upset that he didn't specifically target any groups in is condemnation and so barely even "2 days" later he specifically denounced them.
08-15-2017, 11:50 AM
(08-15-2017, 11:46 AM)Matt_Crimson Wrote: You and everyone else say that like 2 days is an eternity. If Trump had taken a month to acknowledge anything then yeah, I'd be critical. In Trump time 2 days is forever. He tweeted about the CEO quitting his post within hours. He shares FOX News stories right after they air...and promotes upcoming ones. The reason people get upset is this not the first time Trump has had the opportunity to denounce Nazis/white supremacists and every time he hedges his words. Versus when important things like a store not carrying his daughter's handbags in which he responds immediately. This isn't a mealy mouthed man. He's not afraid to insult those he perceives as criticizing him or his "enemies". That it took two days just to say Nazis are bad says a lot. Your anger and ego will always reveal your true self.
08-15-2017, 01:49 PM
(08-15-2017, 11:50 AM)GMDino Wrote: In Trump time 2 days is forever. He tweeted about the CEO quitting his post within hours. The thing that gets me is people kept saying, "Trump won't denounce them". So what does he do? He denounces them and people then change the narrative to "Well it took him 2 days". I means it's border line hilarious. If Trump said it two hours later people would be complaining about how he said it two hours later. If he said it 10 minutes later people would be complaining about how his initial statement should have denounced them right off the bat so we wouldn't have to wait 10 minutes for him to denounce them, so clearly the guys either a racist or a "politician".
08-15-2017, 01:51 PM
(08-14-2017, 11:20 PM)RoyleRedlegs Wrote: But they aren't. I have to disagree with you. In political science, there are of course many ideologies. Because our country is inherently within the classical liberalism spectrum, most ideologies fit along the original and modern dilemmas. The original dilemma concerns itself with freedom v. order, the modern concerns itself with freedom v. equality. Within classical liberalism, all of the ideologies believe in limited government, to an extent and for certain things. The four overarching ideological boxes we use for these are libertarianism, liberalism, conservatism, and communitarianism. The alt-right movement does fall within the conservatism square because conservatism does not call for small government when dealing with societal order.
08-15-2017, 01:55 PM
(08-15-2017, 01:49 PM)Matt_Crimson Wrote: The thing that gets me is people kept saying, "Trump won't denounce them". So what does he do? He denounces them and people then change the narrative to "Well it took him 2 days". No, I get that. And I'm glad he finally said it. But given his history I also understand people saying that one of these trash ran over people with a car and he STILL took two days to say "Nazis are bad". (To be fair some people on this board still haven't said and continue to defend them.) And he should have said it right off the bat. There was/is not need to hedge your words about Nazis. Period. Your anger and ego will always reveal your true self.
08-15-2017, 02:00 PM
(08-15-2017, 01:51 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: I have to disagree with you. In political science, there are of course many ideologies. Because our country is inherently within the classical liberalism spectrum, most ideologies fit along the original and modern dilemmas. The original dilemma concerns itself with freedom v. order, the modern concerns itself with freedom v. equality. Within classical liberalism, all of the ideologies believe in limited government, to an extent and for certain things. My problem with the "Alt right" name given to these people is that it disguises who and what they really are. These people should NOT be called some alternative name like "alt right" because it gives them something to hide behind. They should be identified by what they really are which is white supremacists. After all, it was white supremacists who came up with the term "alt right" anyway. Everyone else just simply adopted it as an identifier for some strange reason. Think about it.
08-15-2017, 02:21 PM
(08-15-2017, 02:00 PM)Matt_Crimson Wrote: My problem with the "Alt right" name given to these people is that it disguises who and what they really are. These people should NOT be called some alternative name like "alt right" because it gives them something to hide behind. They should be identified by what they really are which is white supremacists. I think the struggle is that there are so many different groups under the umbrella, that it becomes hard to find an all encompassing term. I think I am going to take a cue from Pat Jarrett, though, and go with "American fascists." http://bittersoutherner.com/as-loud-as-a-bomb-charlottesville-terrorist-attack
08-15-2017, 02:24 PM
(08-14-2017, 07:08 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: Two months ago today, a Bernie Sanders campaign volunteer tried to assassinate ~10% of elected GOP members at baseball practice. Agreed. When you have former federal judges and Fox News personalities telling people to shoot tyrants, a president who said he could get away with shooting people, candidates shooting at pictures of their opponents, candidates telling people to exercise Second Amendment remedies, etc., then yes, we have a bigger problem. It's ignorant people full of hate calling on other people to incite violence. It's unfortunate that they give a black eye to gun owners in the same way white supremacists give a black eye to white people. Don't blame the guns. Blame people who keep spreading ill feelings and misconceptions because of fear.
08-15-2017, 02:30 PM
(08-15-2017, 10:02 AM)BmorePat87 Wrote: From a legal standpoint, I don't agree with this nor do I think you can make the argument that they're inciting ethnic cleansing by just waving flags and looking like complete douche bags with their fascist shields and tiki torches. So, essentially we have all been stating that using violence against speech you don't like is wrong. Then GMDino posts a comic about how it is ok to use physical violence against Nazi's. One need wonder no longer how the level of political violence in this country has been rising the past year or so. Honestly, GMDino should be ashamed. I'm sure he'll weasel out by saying he just posted it for the purposes of discussion but I'm not buying it.
08-15-2017, 02:32 PM
(08-15-2017, 02:24 PM)Benton Wrote: Agreed. I honestly don't recall someone shooting at a picture of their opponent, who did that? As for exercising your 2nd amendment rights, that only entails owning a firearm (possibly carrying it), it does not involve using your firearm against others. The 2nd amendment does not cover when and where your using a firearm against others is acceptable or legal.
08-15-2017, 02:34 PM
(08-15-2017, 02:30 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: So, essentially we have all been stating that using violence against speech you don't like is wrong. Then GMDino posts a comic about how it is ok to use physical violence against Nazi's. One need wonder no longer how the level of political violence in this country has been rising the past year or so. Not ashamed at all. I'd think everyone who has defended Nazis and refused to say Nazis are bad/evil/wrong should be ashamed...but I digress. No one in the comic is violent. They say they would like to get violent and feel that they have the right to because they were incited. I, for the 100th time, do not condone violence. I, for the 100th time, do not have a problem with people getting upset and feeling violent and wanting to shut down Nazis. I posted the comic because I agree that the Nazis are wrong, inciting violence against them and that they will reap what they sow. Discuss! Your anger and ego will always reveal your true self.
08-15-2017, 02:53 PM
(08-15-2017, 02:34 PM)GMDino Wrote: Not ashamed at all. I'd think everyone who has defended Nazis and refused to say Nazis are bad/evil/wrong should be ashamed...but I digress. They should be ashamed as well. Their shame doesn't abrogate your shame. Quote:No one in the comic is violent. They say they would like to get violent and feel that they have the right to because they were incited. As predicted to a tee. Violence against speech is wrong, you should have a problem with anyone who engages in it for any reason. You sound like the muslims who condemned the Charlie Hedbo attacks but defended why it happened because the magazine was so offensive to muslims. You're part of the problem and you don't even realize it. Quote:I posted the comic because I agree that the Nazis are wrong, inciting violence against them and that they will reap what they sow. This sentence doesn't make sense as structured. Quote:Discuss! I was under the impression that was what we were doing. |
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