11-15-2017, 11:18 AM
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EU army to be formed, in Show of Post Brexit unity
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(11-13-2017, 01:24 PM)hollodero Wrote: Yeah I can do that. Yes. Good. Exactly what Putin and conservatives want by insisting that the U.S. should withdraw from NATO and the U.N.
11-15-2017, 12:08 PM
(11-15-2017, 11:16 AM)Au165 Wrote: Am I the only one that thought this was a spoof account at first with the new avatar and all? You just realized that? There is no "Matt". Never has been. It's all be an elaborate ruse by the mods to have one account that posts actual information and facts brought to you by a policy wonk who loves digging into things versus spouting off opinion and hyperbole. Everyone knows you'd never see that on a real political message board! Your anger and ego will always reveal your true self.
11-15-2017, 12:25 PM
11-15-2017, 12:35 PM
(11-15-2017, 11:06 AM)Belsnickel Wrote: Seriously, could you get off of Lucie's nuts? I get it, I find a lot of things he post to be terrible as well, but most of what you post in this forum is just searching out for his posts and commenting on them, him, or bringing up old arguments. It's toxic to the environment in this subforum. I have no issues with commenting on him not understanding what is going on, as evidenced from my own posts in this thread, but it is rare that you engage in any conversation here other than that. In the future I'll make a more conscientious effort to post false information in an effort to promote false discussions. Transgenders: how mentally ill are they? Fruit Loops or Coocoo for CoaCoa Puffs? Better? Or would you like to stick to discussing the fictitious formation of a fictitious army under fictitious German control as if it's a real discussion. I couldn't even respond to this troll job if it wasn't created in the first place, so who created the toxic environment?
11-15-2017, 06:27 PM
11-15-2017, 08:21 PM
(11-13-2017, 01:27 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: I usually ignore links Lucie posts, deciding instead to search for a source that is less editorialized than I assume has been provided. Interesting that this source lays some of the blame, for lack of a better word, as the feet of Trump. That was my first assumption. Wherever the US begins pulling back its military, or making noises that it will, other guarantors of security will emerge, not all of them favorable to the US.
11-15-2017, 08:40 PM
(11-13-2017, 04:07 PM)Benton Wrote: Well, Russia is one of the world's largest militaries. It's currently close (don't know if I would fully agree with allied, but close) with China, which also has a very large military. I don't think that the EU would have formed an extra-NATO net for military coordination anytime soon. Trump has very likely hastened it. But that said, your post is witty, insightful, and, I think, quite accurate. And yes, according to Globalfirepower's military rankings, Russia is second after the USA. https://www.globalfirepower.com/countries-listing.asp If it's budget keeps increasing at the present rate, it could reach a sixth of the US military budget in 10 years (If ours doesn't shrink). So far as I can tell, both they and China are far behind the US in ability to project force, having had so little recent practice.
11-15-2017, 08:54 PM
(11-13-2017, 01:24 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: Only those units working on the collaborative projects. The EU will not just have control over the entire military of the member states. Still . . . GERMANS! Think about it . . .
11-15-2017, 09:00 PM
(11-15-2017, 08:40 PM)Dill Wrote: I don't think that the EU would have formed an extra-NATO net for military coordination anytime soon. Trump has very likely hastened it. Agreed with both of you. That being said, we should have made such efforts way sooner. In the 90's, we experienced years of war in Jugoslavia and an inability to act on it. We had UN troops being pointless as usual and the hope that Bill would do something when done doing women. Not too glorious. And now we face an US who hands bills to Merkel and then wants to demand what we can and cannot do... like our moody hegemon over the ocean. But right, Trump has to finally show us clearly that we can't rely on that partnership any longer. Every other conclusion would be irresponsible.
11-16-2017, 12:29 AM
(11-15-2017, 09:00 PM)hollodero Wrote: Agreed with both of you. That being said, we should have made such efforts way sooner. In the 90's, we experienced years of war in Jugoslavia and an inability to act on it. We had UN troops being pointless as usual and the hope that Bill would do something when done doing women. Not too glorious. Same deal in Asia and the Middle East. Australia is grappling with the difficult task of "standing by Trump" in the face of N Korea, while the Australian public hates the idea of war hinging on Trump's unstable judgment. The ANZUS partners, according to an NPR report tonight, want to distance themselves from the US for the next few years, but leave a space or opening for return of a dominant US role in the region post 2020. In the Middle East, Trump favorite Mohammed bin Salman, the young Saudi dictator, pledges to go "head on" with Iran, after having engineered the sanction job on another US ally, Qatar, and botched a war against the Yemeni Houthi. What would you be thinking if you are Qatar right now? Or Bahrain, which has a US naval base? So the current world system is rearranging, or unraveling, apace.
11-16-2017, 01:38 AM
(11-15-2017, 08:54 PM)Dill Wrote: Still . . . GERMANS! Think about it . . . https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.express.co.uk/news/world/841539/EU-news-European-Union-fourth-reich-Germany-communism-Poland/amp The Polish might know a thing or two about what happens when The Germans getting Too much control. Quote:EU labelled 4th Reich by experts who blast communist super-state | World | News | Express.co.uk
11-16-2017, 03:03 AM
(11-16-2017, 01:38 AM)StLucieBengal Wrote: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.express.co.uk/news/world/841539/EU-news-European-Union-fourth-reich-Germany-communism-Poland/amp Lucy! You and I are up a bit too late I think. "This will either be a Europe of independent states or this will be - not a even Soviet Republic Union - but we will simply be transformed into a *****-Sovieticus or a *****-Europeisis." Bet I could interest your Polish friends in some Biblical prophecy.
11-16-2017, 03:27 AM
(11-16-2017, 03:03 AM)Dill Wrote: Lucy! You and I are up a bit too late I think. It’s funny to see so many of you guys dismiss the Germans being a threat. They have been the biggest threat to Europe since 1900. They are the reason we had world wars. The Germans do what they do best..... try and seize power from those around them.
11-16-2017, 09:30 AM
(11-16-2017, 01:38 AM)StLucieBengal Wrote: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.express.co.uk/news/world/841539/EU-news-European-Union-fourth-reich-Germany-communism-Poland/amp Damn nazis. https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/nov/13/this-weekends-march-in-poland-proves-the-far-right-isnt-going-away-without-a-fight Too bad some people in the US still defend them. Your anger and ego will always reveal your true self.
11-16-2017, 10:04 AM
(11-16-2017, 03:27 AM)StLucieBengal Wrote: It’s funny to see so many of you guys dismiss the Germans being a threat. They have been the biggest threat to Europe since 1900. They are the reason we had world wars. The Germans do what they do best..... try and seize power from those around them. They were the reason we had WWII, but not the reason for WWI. The background for that war is much more complicated than we tend to believe because our side won and we like black and white. Aside from that, what you describe is what happens with every strong nation in the old world throughout history. Germany is no different than many others in that regard, of course in the modern era it's mostly just paranoia of it happening and not an understanding of reality. Besides, there are enough Nazis in Poland these days without Germany invading.
11-16-2017, 10:27 AM
(11-16-2017, 10:04 AM)Belsnickel Wrote: They were the reason we had WWII, but not the reason for WWI. The background for that war is much more complicated than we tend to believe because our side won and we like black and white. I you are making a joke at the end there, but it’s not like Germany who for all intents and purposes runs the EU, it’s not like they have the same history as a Poland or practically any other EU member. No one has tried to grab more power in Europe since 1900 than The Germans. It’s certainly not about nazi’s. It’s about the German desire to dissolve borders within the EU and they pull the strings. If France and Macron wasn’t their pasties it would look more clear. Heck Macron ran to Merkel to practically bend the knee after his election. The Polish have their ear to the ground plus they know what it’s like when Germany is surging to power. They have reason to be nervous.
11-16-2017, 10:56 AM
(11-16-2017, 10:04 AM)Belsnickel Wrote: They were the reason we had WWII, but not the reason for WWI. The background for that war is much more complicated than we tend to believe because our side won and we like black and white. I respectfully disagree. While there are many factors that we list of the causes of the war, and we cannot blame decades of factors on Germany... ultimately they wanted the war and gave Austria support to declare war on Serbia, knowing full well that such a trivial thing would lead to war with Russia and France. That said, the suggestion that WWI and WWII means we should fear Germany and trust Russia as they engage in military action in sovereign states is ridiculous. |
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