05-13-2019, 10:48 AM
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The Circle Game or Neo Nazi symbol?
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05-13-2019, 11:31 AM
(05-13-2019, 09:11 AM)Au165 Wrote: The Swastika was once a Buddhist and Hinduism symbol before being commandeered by the Nazi's (Although slight directional difference). Part of the issue with symbolism is that symbols can have different meanings to different people. Over time symbols take on accepted meanings in cultures because enough of the population agrees with that meaning. The issue in this case is there has been a meaning interjected into the mainstream that has a negative connotation and people are flocking to condemn it rather than risk being associated with the negative meaning. This reminds me. About 10 years ago I was a a Jain temple in Mumbai with a group of Indian students. There were swastikas decorating banners and statues and various things. I told the students that people do not publicly display such symbols in the US; people would only see the swastika as a Nazi symbol. They were very surprised. "Why?" they wanted to know. They knew about Nazis too. The difference is likely that they saw the swastika all around them daily growing up in a culture where everyone associated it with a religion. So the Nazi association was minor, accidental and foreign. For most people in the US, it ONLY appears as a Nazi symbol. So if I am walking around Mumbai with a gold swastika dangling from a neck chain that wouldn't be much different than wearing a Christian cross. Just bling. In New York it could mean at the least confused and hostile stares.
05-13-2019, 11:58 AM
(05-13-2019, 11:31 AM)Dill Wrote: This reminds me. About 10 years ago I was a a Jain temple in Mumbai with a group of Indian students. There were swastikas decorating banners and statues and various things. I told the students that people do not publicly display such symbols in the US; people would only see the swastika as a Nazi symbol. They were very surprised. "Why?" they wanted to know. Nazis ruined a lot of stuff by co opting it for their own meanings. Your anger and ego will always reveal your true self.
05-13-2019, 09:11 PM
(05-09-2019, 11:34 PM)BmorePat87 Wrote: I think it was brought back because nostalgia is big and social media added a new outlet for playing it with friends. I think the majority of those doing it above the waist are just doing it wrong, not necessarily trying to have it mean something coded. It's a symbol for 3 in basketball... They do it after hitting a 3 pointer.
I'm gonna break every record they've got. I'm tellin' you right now. I don't know how I'm gonna do it, but it's goin' to get done.
- Ja'Marr Chase April 2021
05-16-2019, 01:59 PM
(05-13-2019, 09:11 PM)jason Wrote: It's a symbol for 3 in basketball... They do it after hitting a 3 pointer. 3 pointers are racist
05-16-2019, 02:07 PM
(05-13-2019, 09:01 AM)GMDino Wrote: Does that mean that that is what that sign means? No idea. To me it's still just "okay". But I didn't play the dumb game and I'm not a white nationalist. He did it to add to his racist rant. Very edgy of him. It has a bunch of different meanings and being overtly racist really isn't one of them (yet - it could happen) so simply using it doesn't mean you hate black people. People will use it as such, but they will make it clear that they are being racist, like the guy you showed.
05-16-2019, 02:18 PM
(05-16-2019, 02:07 PM)6andcounting Wrote: He did it to add to his racist rant. Very edgy of him. You asked I provided an example. I agree it means a bunch of different things...but if people are using it during their "racist rant" it seems to me they think it means something racist. At least in that context. Your anger and ego will always reveal your true self.
05-16-2019, 02:26 PM
(05-16-2019, 02:18 PM)GMDino Wrote: You asked I provided an example. Maybe instead of "meanings" I should have said "common uses".
05-16-2019, 03:51 PM
(05-16-2019, 01:59 PM)6andcounting Wrote: 3 pointers are racist Absolutely. Take the 3 and turn it on its side and the use the first letter for pointer and what do you have?
05-16-2019, 04:03 PM
You know who's a white supremicist? Stephen Fry! A lifelong liberal gay man, the face of white supremacy!
https://www.spiked-online.com/2019/05/15/is-stephen-fry-a-white-supremacist/
05-16-2019, 07:49 PM
(05-16-2019, 01:59 PM)6andcounting Wrote: 3 pointers are racist I know... Short, slow white dudes aren't able to carve out their niche in the NBA anymore.
I'm gonna break every record they've got. I'm tellin' you right now. I don't know how I'm gonna do it, but it's goin' to get done.
- Ja'Marr Chase April 2021
05-16-2019, 08:06 PM
(05-13-2019, 09:43 AM)treee Wrote: I played this game as a kid and it is unsettling that it's now all of the sudden supposedly a nazi thing. I don't care if it was some dumb trolls who were trying to stir the pot, why should they get the cultural power to taint something like that? Same here, I played it. My Eldest Son played it, and now I'm going thru is again with my youngest son. Never knew or related it to some other meaning than "gotcha" now I get to punch ya, this is the first I've heard of it being some racist symbol..
05-17-2019, 02:43 PM
Like a few of us have said: A trolling idea has flipped when accepted by the the very people trying to troll "the left".
And context matters. https://www-bbc-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.bbc.com/news/amp/world-europe-48293817?_gsa=1&_js_v=0.1#referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&_tf=From%20%251%24s&share=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.bbc.com%2Fnews%2Fworld-europe-48293817 Quote:The hoax planned on 4Chan was simple - to ridicule media by convincing reporters of a fake white power symbol. The preposterous reasoning to be given was that in a hand making the OK sign, the three straight fingers make a "W" shape, while the closed thumb and forefinger symbolise the letter "P". And as usual, nazis ruin something. Your anger and ego will always reveal your true self.
06-11-2019, 01:16 PM
12-16-2019, 11:47 PM
https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/military-officials-investigating-possible-white-205800049.html
2 things: 1. This is absolutely PC BS 2. I'd hate to be that Cadet this week
12-17-2019, 12:18 AM
I do believe that these cadets actually support comedians who dress up in drag.
They were throwing the sign upside down which doesn't create a "W" and "P" for White Power but instead creates a "M" and "B" which stands for Milton Berl or since it may be "W" and "P" but flipped over it could represent Flip Wilson with the "P" standing for Phlip since its too hard to create an actual "F".
Song of Solomon 2:15
Take us the foxes, the little foxes, that spoil the vines: for our vines have tender grapes.
12-17-2019, 03:31 PM
(12-16-2019, 11:47 PM)bfine32 Wrote: https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/military-officials-investigating-possible-white-205800049.html It is not PC BS now that some white supremacists have adopted the gesture as an actual racist signal. It is a messed up and crazy situation. A swastika originally meant "well being for all" in Sanskrit, but it could mean something different depending on who is displaying it. And, yes, I would also hate to be that cadet.
12-17-2019, 03:35 PM
(12-17-2019, 12:18 AM)Nebuchadnezzar Wrote: I do believe that these cadets actually support comedians who dress up in drag. LOL, that's why I would risk my military career to throw an upside down sign on national tv--to support comedians!
12-17-2019, 03:42 PM
(12-17-2019, 03:31 PM)fredtoast Wrote: It is not PC BS now that some white supremacists have adopted the gesture as an actual racist signal. It is a messed up and crazy situation. Looks like there was more than one. Hard to believe these guys were unaware of how seriously the military takes scandals like this, and hard to believe they were unaware of the racist meanings available for that sign. So which is it, racism or bad judgment--in uniform before the public either way? If I'm their commander, I'm thinking we don't want such clueless cadets in our academy or in our military. I'm sure it's ok (lol) if its right side up, like in this picture of Milo Yianopoulas and Pizza Party Ben. But not upside down, as here with the Christchurch shooter.
12-17-2019, 04:33 PM
(12-17-2019, 03:42 PM)Dill Wrote: Looks like there was more than one. I don't think for a second that the racist context of the symbol dawned on the Cadets; nor do i think it was intended as such. If not for this very forum I'd have 0 idea that it was tied to White Supremacy. The point is: They were "playing a Social media game" while representing their Academies in Uniform. |
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