Coronavirus

[BmorePat87]

(04-21-2020, 02:48 PM)oncemoreuntothejimbreech Wrote: There isn’t a shortage of labs. There is a shortage of tests.

It’s like having a kitchen with no groceries.

Trump knows this, but he has to deflect blame.

Part of it was also that Pence together a list of labs in states not being used and the labs in Maryland were all military and federal, so ones we couldn’t access even if we had tests. Hogan pointed that out and Trump said Hogan “didn’t understand” the “simple” list.

[Benton]

(04-21-2020, 02:48 PM)oncemoreuntothejimbreech Wrote: There isn’t a shortage of labs. There is a shortage of tests.

It’s like having a kitchen with no groceries.

Trump knows this, but he has to deflect blame.

Yeah back when I got sick a month ago, I went to my doctor (who I'm friends with). She was blunt about it: you've probably got it, but even if I send you to one of the testing sites, they don't have any. And the ones they've got (at the time) they were holding onto for medical people.

[samhain]

(04-21-2020, 07:31 AM)6andcounting Wrote: On Constitutional grounds, Trump has the power under Title 42 of U.S. Code to halt all immigration. The 2018 upholding of his 2018 ban also gives him precedent. I suspect there will be no shortage of experts that will be paraded out to justify and support his decision. And I'm sure his slide show of CDC numbers and models shows how we need a total immigrant ban to keep us safe is already ready to roll for today.

I'm not an expert on any of these people, fields or things Trump will show to me as evidence, but I'm already questioning why I should trust or believe any of it. What good are expert recommendations if the experts are paid by or receive funding from the government they are backing? And when the DNC trots experts out to counter Trump, how do I trust their evidence is 100% correct and not fitted to be an attack on Trump? 

The average person can't sift through the bias and issues in these highly specified fields that we don't study ourselves. 

I don't really get the whole immigration shutdown.  The virus is already here, in just about every place it's going get.  It seems like a day late and a dollar short to me.

I have no doubt that he has the authority to do so.  I just don't see any real point.  Well, I guess there's one. He gets to smash some libs and snowflakes, so there's that.  Things are looking a bit grim for hm at the moment, so I suppose from a strategic standpoint, throwing some chum to the usual Trump crowd can only help him feel better when he gets to have rallies again.

I suppose my main question about it would be: if the virus is no big deal, and we all need to stop being candy-asses and re-open the country ASAP, then why the urgency to take an action like this with respect to the virus?

[GMDino]

(04-22-2020, 12:51 PM)samhain Wrote: I don't really get the whole immigration shutdown.  The virus is already here, in just about every place it's going get.  It seems like a day late and a dollar short to me.

I have no doubt that he has the authority to do so.  I just don't see any real point.  Well, I guess there's one. He gets to smash some libs and snowflakes, so there's that.  Things are looking a bit grim for hm at the moment, so I suppose from a strategic standpoint, throwing some chum to the usual Trump crowd can only help him feel better when he gets to have rallies again.

I suppose my main question about it would be: if the virus is no big deal, and we all need to stop being candy-asses and re-open the country ASAP, then why the urgency to take an action like this with respect to the virus?

If you want to stop immigration when unemployment is under 4% and stop immigration when unemployment is over 10%, chances are it never had anything to do with jobs.

— Seth Masket (@smotus) April 21, 2020

[BrownAssClown]

(04-22-2020, 12:51 PM)samhain Wrote: I don't really get the whole immigration shutdown.  The virus is already here, in just about every place it's going get.  It seems like a day late and a dollar short to me.

I have no doubt that he has the authority to do so.  I just don't see any real point.  Well, I guess there's one. He gets to smash some libs and snowflakes, so there's that.  Things are looking a bit grim for hm at the moment, so I suppose from a strategic standpoint, throwing some chum to the usual Trump crowd can only help him feel better when he gets to have rallies again.

I suppose my main question about it would be: if the virus is no big deal, and we all need to stop being candy-asses and re-open the country ASAP, then why the urgency to take an action like this with respect to the virus?

Yea...It's called a deflection by a brain-dead president to work his brain-dead base into a lather.

[GMDino]

Not ALL immigrants mind you.

FOX says that Trump is not "tone deaf".

Brian Kilmeade on the temporary immigration ban: "You mentioned yesterday the au pair, Ainsley, for middle class families, they're going to be allowed to come because they allow people like you to be able to work ... he's showing he's not tone deaf" pic.twitter.com/hbzClSpIBL

— Bobby Lewis (@revrrlewis) April 22, 2020

[GMDino]

There is ALWAYS a tweet.

All the governors are already backing off of the Ebola quarantines. Bad decision that will lead to more mayhem.

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) October 28, 2014

 

[GMDino]

Well, Trump's "business plan" is now in full effect.

Someone shut the lights off on the way out.  It was a good run.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/mcconnell-says-he-favors-allowing-states-to-declare-bankruptcy/ar-BB1336bq

Quote:McConnell says he favors allowing states to declare bankruptcy



Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell said Wednesday he favors allowing states struggling with high public employee pension costs amid the burdens of the pandemic response to declare bankruptcy rather than giving them a federal bailout.




The host cited California, Illinois and Connecticut as states that had given too much to public employee unions, and McConnell said he was reluctant to take on more debt for any rescue.

“You raised yourself the important issue of what states have done, many of them have done to themselves with their pension programs,” he said. “There’s not going to be any desire on the Republican side to bail out state pensions by borrowing money from future generations.”

His statements set up a conflict with House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, who said on Bloomberg Television Wednesday a “major package” of aid for state and local government will be in the next stimulus legislation considered by Congress.

McConnell may also find himself in conflict with President Donald Trump. The president said Tuesday after meeting with New York Governor Andrew Cuomo that states will need assistance. “And I think most Republicans agree too, and Democrats,” Trump said. “And that’s part of phase four.”

McConnell, a Kentucky Republican, noted he blocked additional state and local aid in the latest relief package, which passed the Senate Tuesday and is set for a vote Thursday in the House.

“I said yesterday we’re going to push the pause button here, because I think this whole business of additional assistance for state and local governments needs to be thoroughly evaluated,” McConnell added.


The idea of allowing states to file for bankruptcy was raised in the wake of the last recession. It drew widespread disdain from Wall Street investors, public employee unions and both Republican and Democratic governors, who said it would unsettle the bond market and cause even the most fiscally sound states to face higher interest rates because of the risk the debt could be wiped out in court.


It was also criticized by U.S. lawmakers of both parties during a House hearing that was convened to discuss it in 2011 and was swiftly dropped.

The National Governors Association has said states and municipalities will need at least $500 billion in aid to deal with the crisis caused by the coronavirus pandemic as tax revenue falls and demands for resources escalate.

McConnell said there should be a “fulsome” discussion among all Republican senators on whether and how to send more aid to state and local governments and what that money should be spent on.

That will be one of the focuses for the next round of stimulus spending that Congress will be taking up, and McConnell’s reluctance signals that negotiation could be the most difficult one so far. President Donald Trump said Tuesday that he expected aid to state and local governments would be part of that.

No state has defaulted on its debts since the Great Depression and even after the last recession only a handful of cities went bankrupt, since governments have broad ability to raise taxes.

The current economic contraction may leave states facing an even worse fiscal crisis than they did a decade ago, which has prompted growing calls from the nation’s states and cites for Congress to provide aid to help them make up for the taxes lost by the nationwide shutdown. Governors have requested $500 billion and cities and counties $250 billion.

The bond market, however, doesn’t appear to be pricing in much risk of defaults. While prices tumbled during a panicked sell-off last month, they’ve since rebounded, with returns roughly flat for the year.

Mind you individual bankruptcy laws were toughened under Bush and the GOP.

[*bfine32*]

I've been monitoring this thread as a spectator for the past 3 months because.......

I will say this: I've seen the tragedy bring out the best and the worst in people. I'll leave it up to you to look in the mirror and see which side you trend toward.

I will further say this: Breech and I disagree on everything; although we've chewed much of the same dirt. His overall responses in the thread shows; although he's politically biased, it takes a backseat to his mentality as a care giver. He's provided a lot of facts and should be applauded.

Some of you on the other hand....

[Vas Deferens]

Welcome back bfine

[*michaelsean*]

(04-22-2020, 07:55 PM)bfine32 Wrote: I've been monitoring this thread as a spectator for the past 3 months because.......

I will say this: I've seen the tragedy bring out the best and the worst in people. I'll leave it up to you to look in the mirror and see which side you trend toward.

I will further say this: Breech and I disagree on everything; although we've chewed much of the same dirt. His overall responses in the thread shows; although he's politically biased, it takes a backseat to his mentality as a care giver. He's provided a lot of facts and should be applauded.

Some of you on the other hand....

Did you get COVID early release?

[GMDino]

(04-22-2020, 07:55 PM)bfine32 Wrote: I've been monitoring this thread as a spectator for the past 3 months because.......

I will say this: I've seen the tragedy bring out the best and the worst in people. I'll leave it up to you to look in the mirror and see which side you trend toward.

I will further say this: Breech and I disagree on everything; although we've chewed much of the same dirt. His overall responses in the thread shows; although he's politically biased, it takes a backseat to his mentality as a care giver. He's provided a lot of facts and should be applauded.

Some of you on the other hand....

You know....



Welcome back. 

[*michaelsean*]

I was reading that a bunch of the early CDC tests were tainted. Not sure what it means. Higher numbers? Lower numbers? No way to know?

[*bfine32*]

(04-22-2020, 08:15 PM)Vas Deferens Wrote: Welcome back bfine

Thx

(04-22-2020, 08:40 PM)michaelsean Wrote: Did you get COVID early release?

Damn sure didn't get early release

(04-22-2020, 08:42 PM)GMDino Wrote: You know....



Welcome back. 

Not really, but you most likely do...Thanks for the welcome

[*bfine32*]

(04-22-2020, 08:43 PM)michaelsean Wrote: I was reading that a bunch of the early CDC tests were tainted. Not sure what it means. Higher numbers?  Lower numbers?  No way to know?

Through all of this I've never really understood the obsession with testing; unless we plan on putting everyone who comes up negative under a bubble. 

[GMDino]

(04-22-2020, 09:08 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Through all of this I've never really understood the obsession with testing; unless we plan on putting everyone who comes up negative under a bubble. 

My understanding is we need to know how far flung this is.  How many people may have had it and recovered.  If the "herd immunity" is taking shape or if there even is an immunity.

The original tests were contaminated.  And there still aren't enough tests to get a better idea of where we are with the spread.

[Benton]

(04-22-2020, 09:08 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Through all of this I've never really understood the obsession with testing; unless we plan on putting everyone who comes up negative under a bubble. 

Testing can help understand how it spreads (I've heard but don't know that some blood types are more likely to get it, same with younger people being less likely). Also it helps understand the mortality rate.

300 years ago nobody died from cancer. They died from exhaustion or a cough or something else. When we were finally able to test for it, we had an idea of how serious (or not depending on a point of view) it is.

[*Nately120*]

(04-22-2020, 07:55 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Some of you on the other hand....

Ooh, let me have it...I haven't been able to see my regular domme due to the quarantine.

[Vas Deferens]

(04-22-2020, 11:05 PM)Nately120 Wrote: Ooh, let me have it...I haven't been able to see my regular domme due to the quarantine.

she's busy protesting the shutdown, advocating to 'sacrifice the weak'?

[*Nately120*]

(04-22-2020, 11:29 PM)Vas Deferens Wrote: she's busy protesting the shutdown, advocating to 'sacrifice the weak'?

She's immuno-compromised after what I gave her.