2020 Election

[fredtoast]

(10-20-2020, 03:08 PM)Mickeypoo Wrote: https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/09/10/trump-biden-asia-credibility-problem/

OMG.  I love when people quote stories without reading them.

First of all it mentions Asain "movers and shakers" without listing nay names (other than one RETIRED "diplomat" from Singapore)

"The prospect of a Biden presidency, by contrast, brings back uncomfortable memories of an Obama era that many Asian movers and shakers recall as unfocused and soft toward Beijing. Whether or not that memory is correct is beside the point."



Then there is this

"Biden’s campaign would disagree with those in Asia who seem relaxed about Trump’s return, and in many ways they would be right to do so. A second Trump administration is likely to cause considerable damage to the region, from his dismissive and transactional approach to existing U.S. alliances to the small but rising risk of a destabilizing military conflict with China itself. It is also true that doubts about Biden are far from universal. Many in the region would welcome a less pugnacious period of U.S. diplomacy, and hope for a new period of accommodation. “The two powers must work out a modus vivendi that will be competitive in some areas without allowing rivalry to poison cooperation in others,” as Singapore’s Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong wrote recently—a prospect more likely under Biden than Trump."

and this

"What’s more, Biden has by now articulated a far tougher China policy than Obama ever did. He called Chinese President Xi Jinping a “thug” in one Democratic presidential debate earlier this year. In another, he painted China as “an authoritarian dictatorship.” Like most U.S. political leaders, he has long given up on the idea that China can be reformed, arguing instead that the United States must out-compete its Asian rival. His campaign has sent more subtle signals to Asian audiences too, not least by reaching out to the Association of Southeast Asian Nations (ASEAN) and hinting that Biden would make a point of attending regional meetings that Trump so often skipped." Anthony Blinken, one of Biden’s senior advisors, recently wrote on Twitter. “President Biden will show up and engage ASEAN on critical issues.”

and this

"Ultimately, Asian nations will adapt to whichever candidate ends up in the White House. Were Biden to prevail, he may be able to assuage his doubters quickly, leaving little nostalgia for Trump’s era of unpredictability."

[fredtoast]

(10-20-2020, 03:08 PM)Mickeypoo Wrote: Completely disagree.  We need more deregulation and less red tape.

So you think workers will be better of with no OSHA?

You think people will be healthier with no EPA?

You think your investments will be safer with no SEC?

Care to explain why any of these positions are true?

I have learned that people who are against "regulation" are just repeating what they heard from the right ing echo chamber and really don't have a clue about any specific regulations they think we would be better off without.

[BmorePat87]

https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/i-m-republican-voting-joe-biden-over-trump-because-i-ncna1243952

Former MD Lt Governor and RNC chair Michael Steele endorsed Joe Biden saying:

I am an American, a conservative and a Republican, in that order. And I am voting for Joe Biden on Nov. 3

Rather than binding up the nation’s wounds, Trump exacerbates division. Rather than standing up to the world’s dictators, Trump cravenly seeks the favor of thugs. Rather than fostering free enterprise, Trump embraces economic principles not only outdated in Lincoln’s time, but made even worse today by a leader who lost close to a billion dollars in a single year running a casino. Rather than seeking to build on the legacy of the Republican Party’s founders, of which Trump is surely ignorant, Trump has posited a single purpose for the GOP — the celebration of him. Consequently, America has watched as the Republican Party stopped pursuing its animating principles of freedom and opportunity. It has given up its voice on things that mattered and instead bent the arc of the party towards the baser motives of one man, who is neither a Republican nor a conservative.

what many inside and outside the GOP fail to grasp now is that our lack of standing with the American people is not the fault of our ideals or the principles we espouse, but rather due to our failure to stand up against the arrogance of power and the erosion of our principles.

I, of course, disagree with Biden on many issues and policies, sometimes vigorously; and it is my fervent hope that he will pursue policies that will help our country heal. But this election is not about those issues or policies. Rather, it is about the course of a nation and the character of her people reflected in the leader they choose. I am asking my fellow Americans to consider what is in your best interests, and not Donald Trump’s.

[Belsnickel]

(10-20-2020, 03:08 PM)Mickeypoo Wrote: There are differing opinions on that.

Not that I've seen.

(10-20-2020, 03:08 PM)Mickeypoo Wrote: Completely disagree.  We need more deregulation and less red tape.

In what areas?

(10-20-2020, 03:08 PM)Mickeypoo Wrote: https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/09/10/trump-biden-asia-credibility-problem/

Fred already covered this.

(10-20-2020, 03:08 PM)Mickeypoo Wrote: You cannot be serious.  Hunter signed the paperwork.  Immediately after the story broke Hunters lawyer contacted computer shop to get it back.  No denial of any kind after 6 days now.  Some emails have been corroborated.  Joe was a very bad boy and it's coming out.

Sources? I've seen nothing that corroborates the Post story.

(10-20-2020, 03:08 PM)Mickeypoo Wrote: Pence over Harris all day everyday.  At least Pence knows what he stands for.  Harris just lets her moral compass blow whichever way she thinks will serve her best.

Pence stands for lying for his boss. That's about it.

[oncemoreuntothejimbreech]

(10-20-2020, 05:36 PM)BmorePat87 Wrote: https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/i-m-republican-voting-joe-biden-over-trump-because-i-ncna1243952

Former MD Lt Governor and RNC chair Michael Steele endorsed Joe Biden saying:

I am an American, a conservative and a Republican, in that order. And I am voting for Joe Biden on Nov. 3

Rather than binding up the nation’s wounds, Trump exacerbates division. Rather than standing up to the world’s dictators, Trump cravenly seeks the favor of thugs. Rather than fostering free enterprise, Trump embraces economic principles not only outdated in Lincoln’s time, but made even worse today by a leader who lost close to a billion dollars in a single year running a casino. Rather than seeking to build on the legacy of the Republican Party’s founders, of which Trump is surely ignorant, Trump has posited a single purpose for the GOP — the celebration of him. Consequently, America has watched as the Republican Party stopped pursuing its animating principles of freedom and opportunity. It has given up its voice on things that mattered and instead bent the arc of the party towards the baser motives of one man, who is neither a Republican nor a conservative.

what many inside and outside the GOP fail to grasp now is that our lack of standing with the American people is not the fault of our ideals or the principles we espouse, but rather due to our failure to stand up against the arrogance of power and the erosion of our principles.

I, of course, disagree with Biden on many issues and policies, sometimes vigorously; and it is my fervent hope that he will pursue policies that will help our country heal. But this election is not about those issues or policies. Rather, it is about the course of a nation and the character of her people reflected in the leader they choose. I am asking my fellow Americans to consider what is in your best interests, and not Donald Trump’s.

I don’t recall which Republican mentioned profiles in courage recently, but that’s one. But, for every Michael Steele there is at least a Christie, Cruz, Graham, Jordan, Meadows, etcetera that cant seem to find their balls.

[Mickeypoo]

(10-20-2020, 03:47 PM)fredtoast Wrote: I have seen no proof that Hunter Biden signed any paperwork or that Biden's attorney contacted the computer store.  In fact it would be absurd for Biden's attorney to request the return of a computer that he knows the the store owner no longer possesses. Link to source, please.

Nor have any of the emails have been corroborated.  Link to source, please.

Biden has denied it by saying it is all just a smear campaign.

I'm sure you will immediately discount this because it is from Fox.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/hunter-biden-emails-documents-alleged-signature-fbi-paperwork
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/hunter-biden-china-email-source-verifies
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2020/10/19/russian-disinformation-not-behind-biden-emails-dni-ratcliffe-says/3712484001/
And before you start yelling about "sources" please remember all the negative Trump headlines that people more than happily take and took as gospel that are from "unnamed sources".  The most recent being the "suckers and losers" BS.  No double standards please.
I think we need to hold Biden to the same standards as Trump.  I want both Bidens to deny that the laptop was dropped off by Hunter.  I want both Bidens to deny that it was Hunters signature at the repair shop.  I want both Bidens to say the repair shop owner is lying. I want both Bidens to say that all the emails, videos, photos and texts are fake.  When they both do that I might start to maybe believe them.

[Mickeypoo]

(10-20-2020, 04:04 PM)fredtoast Wrote: OMG.  I love when people quote stories without reading them.

First of all it mentions Asain "movers and shakers" without listing nay names (other than one RETIRED "diplomat" from Singapore)

"The prospect of a Biden presidency, by contrast, brings back uncomfortable memories of an Obama era that many Asian movers and shakers recall as unfocused and soft toward Beijing. Whether or not that memory is correct is beside the point."



Then there is this

"Biden’s campaign would disagree with those in Asia who seem relaxed about Trump’s return, and in many ways they would be right to do so. A second Trump administration is likely to cause considerable damage to the region, from his dismissive and transactional approach to existing U.S. alliances to the small but rising risk of a destabilizing military conflict with China itself. It is also true that doubts about Biden are far from universal. Many in the region would welcome a less pugnacious period of U.S. diplomacy, and hope for a new period of accommodation. “The two powers must work out a modus vivendi that will be competitive in some areas without allowing rivalry to poison cooperation in others,” as Singapore’s Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong wrote recently—a prospect more likely under Biden than Trump."

and this

"What’s more, Biden has by now articulated a far tougher China policy than Obama ever did. He called Chinese President Xi Jinping a “thug” in one Democratic presidential debate earlier this year. In another, he painted China as “an authoritarian dictatorship.” Like most U.S. political leaders, he has long given up on the idea that China can be reformed, arguing instead that the United States must out-compete its Asian rival. His campaign has sent more subtle signals to Asian audiences too, not least by reaching out to the Association of Southeast Asian Nations (ASEAN) and hinting that Biden would make a point of attending regional meetings that Trump so often skipped." Anthony Blinken, one of Biden’s senior advisors, recently wrote on Twitter. “President Biden will show up and engage ASEAN on critical issues.”

and this

"Ultimately, Asian nations will adapt to whichever candidate ends up in the White House. Were Biden to prevail, he may be able to assuage his doubters quickly, leaving little nostalgia for Trump’s era of unpredictability."

So what exactly has Biden actually done to be tough on China other than calling them a name in a debate?

[Mickeypoo]

https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-cost-of-bidenomics-11603055037

[Benton]

(10-20-2020, 07:53 PM)Mickeypoo Wrote: https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-cost-of-bidenomics-11603055037

I gotta admit, I got a chuckle that wsj built an entire article done by a group founded in honor of one of the worst presidents in the country's history. I'll take a look at the content later, but, honestly, I don't think fiscally that Biden can do any worse than the economic trainwreck trump has set in motion.

[Mickeypoo]

Also, just being reported, the FBI has Hunters laptop and the FBI and DOJ agree with the DNI that the Biden laptop info is NOT part of a Russian dis-information campaign.

[Mickeypoo]

Ooops.  Joe Biden lies on national TV about being endorsed by the Boiler Makers union.

They endorsed Trump.

[Big Boss]

https://mobile.twitter.com/robertjdenault/status/1318698779680382978

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/20/us/trump-taxes-china.html#click=https://t.co/kU18ggxrDs

”Trump's tax records show that Trump maintains a previously unknown bank account in China. The foreign accounts do not show up on Trump's public financial disclosures because they are held under corporate names.”

[Big Boss]

"Stand by."

https://amp.floridatoday.com/amp/5997458002?__twitter_impression=true

https://www.alaskapublic.org/2020/10/20/alaskans-report-emails-warning-to-vote-for-trump-or-else/

“We are in possession of all your information You are currently registered as a Democrat ...You will vote for Trump on Election Day or we will come after you.”

[oncemoreuntothejimbreech]

(10-20-2020, 07:00 PM)Mickeypoo Wrote: I'm sure you will immediately discount this because it is from Fox.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/hunter-biden-emails-documents-alleged-signature-fbi-paperwork
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/hunter-biden-china-email-source-verifies
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2020/10/19/russian-disinformation-not-behind-biden-emails-dni-ratcliffe-says/3712484001/
And before you start yelling about "sources" please remember all the negative Trump headlines that people more than happily take and took as gospel that are from "unnamed sources".  The most recent being the "suckers and losers" BS.  No double standards please.
I think we need to hold Biden to the same standards as Trump.  I want both Bidens to deny that the laptop was dropped off by Hunter.  I want both Bidens to deny that it was Hunters signature at the repair shop.  I want both Bidens to say the repair shop owner is lying. I want both Bidens to say that all the emails, videos, photos and texts are fake.  When they both do that I might start to maybe believe them.

Didn’t Fox confirm the suckers and loser report?

[Belsnickel]

(10-21-2020, 08:42 AM)oncemoreuntothejimbreech Wrote: Didn’t Fox confirm the suckers and loser report?

Yes. The White House correspondent for Fox News independently confirmed it.

[oncemoreuntothejimbreech]

(10-20-2020, 08:09 PM)Mickeypoo Wrote: Also, just being reported, the FBI has Hunters laptop and the FBI and DOJ agree with the DNI that the Biden laptop info is NOT part of a Russian dis-information campaign.

The FBI stated they had nothing to add at this time which is basically no comment.

[Au165]

(10-20-2020, 09:16 PM)Big Boss Wrote: https://mobile.twitter.com/robertjdenault/status/1318698779680382978

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/20/us/trump-taxes-china.html#click=https://t.co/kU18ggxrDs

”Trump's tax records show that Trump maintains a previously unknown bank account in China. The foreign accounts do not show up on Trump's public financial disclosures because they are held under corporate names.”

Quote:In 2017, the company reported an unusually large spike in revenue — some $17.5 million, more than the previous five years’ combined. It was accompanied by a $15.1 million withdrawal by Mr. Trump from the company’s capital account.

...That is what you call a bribe. His lawyers said while they had an account there it was to pursue business but that they never actually had any real business dealings there, but that is so strange then to randomly get $17 Million in the account and then for Trump himself to remove $15 Million...after he became President.

[GMDino]

(10-20-2020, 09:16 PM)Big Boss Wrote: https://mobile.twitter.com/robertjdenault/status/1318698779680382978

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/20/us/trump-taxes-china.html#click=https://t.co/kU18ggxrDs

”Trump's tax records show that Trump maintains a previously unknown bank account in China. The foreign accounts do not show up on Trump's public financial disclosures because they are held under corporate names.”

(10-21-2020, 09:03 AM)Au165 Wrote: ...That is what you call a bribe. His lawyers said while they had an account there it was to pursue business but that they never actually had any real business dealings there, but that is so strange then to randomly get $17 Million in the account and then for Trump himself to remove $15 Million...after he became President.

Maybe I'm mistaken but I thought Trump said he was removed from all of his businesses and had nothing to with the foreign deals after he became President.  Didn't he have stacks and stacks of folders chock full of (non-blank) sheets of paper showing how much business he was NOT involved in?

How could he have a business checking account he is directly pulling money from personally?

Weird.

[*PhilHos*]

(10-20-2020, 07:04 PM)Mickeypoo Wrote: So what exactly has Biden actually done to be tough on China other than calling them a name in a debate?

Let's not forget that when the 1st debate aired in China, Trump was muted when talking about China and Biden was not. 

[hollodero]

(10-21-2020, 10:09 AM)PhilHos Wrote: Let's not forget that when the 1st debate aired in China, Trump was muted when talking about China and Biden was not. 

That's not on Biden though and isn't proof of much, other that China loves to censure stuff, especially when this stuff consists of "they gave us the Chinavirus and they will pay for it" comments. I for one find it good that Biden does not talk that way.