05-09-2022, 12:50 PM
(05-09-2022, 12:42 PM)hollodero Wrote: Yeah because the noble ends do not justify questionable means to that end. That's why I do not follow through with your logic here. For in the end, you could just as well say misinformation is such a grave threat that the government should have the right to prison people for untruths. These untruths being such an existential danger, after all. - I am full aware that the board in question is nowhere near that hypothetical extreme. But your argument could just as well be used for justifying said extreme, and hence I do not see it as a a particularly convincing one.
For sure, I can not really answer your question on what to do instead. My approach often is to stop the conviction terror and to not be so arrogant towards the conservatives, that might lead to an actual conversation instead of trading insults and digging in. I get why that does not fare well with you, for you do not really see this arrogance as part of the problem the way I do. I also have to acknowledge that it is a tough ask to not be arrogant towards people that claim Trump is the savior, a genius, the smartest person on earth who never lies and so on. To me, your system created the perfect everlasting rift and Trump is the perfect specimen for it. He's actually everything the liberals perceive republicans to be. But one could try to be better still, especially with those that also dislike Trump (or say the style Trump represents), but just dislike liberals even more. Which imho are more people than the actual Trump fans.
So yeah, the actual answer is to get rid of this extremely toxic two-party system, which imho is the root of many of these issues. But that will not happen, can never happen, so this is a hypothetical with no value. Other ideas might be getting money out of politics and lending different parties some defined space on the network channels and the papers instead, but yeah that is a hypothetical with no real value too. I really have no good idea (though I think the misinformation does get addressed plenty, people just do not listen to it), in fact I turned cynical and think the US is doomed to go down the authoritarian path and there's no solution. I just claim a government-run board is not a good idea either, for reasons already stated (first and foremost, despite all good primary intentions in the end such a board can very well be used as a viable tool to cement said authoritarian path).
It's extremely interesting to me that someone who has never lived here has these issues so pegged. I'm amazed that anyone, of any political bent, wouldn't see how dangerous this board is, and could be, under different administrations. Even if you 100% trust Biden, and I don't know why anyone would, he won't be POTUS forever.
Also, the underlined is dead on accurate. As inconceivable as it is to some there are plenty of people who dislike the far left more than they dislike Trump.
