05-18-2022, 05:27 PM
(05-18-2022, 05:13 PM)hollodero Wrote: I agree with the sentiment. However, I think only very few people actually called Trump illegitimate. John Lewis did, ok, folks like that always get a pass on everything. There sure were quite some people who questioned the EC, especially after Trump winning despite garnering fewer absolute votes, but that is not questioning election integrity. Nor is critizising voting on a weekday or too few polling places or gerrymandering.
But that's not really what I'm getting at. My point would be that your comment could easily be read as not acknowledging a difference between Adams' complaints and Trump's election fraud claims. Pretty certain those that like your comment overwhelmingly see it just like that, and I consider that downplaying the several insurrection attempts by creating false equivalencies. Again, not saying you deliberately do that, but that you're a bit insensitive on being emboldening those that do, or at least to be perceived that way.
I understand your point, but I don't and never will operate that way. If I say something inaccurate then please call me on it. I will not apologize for making accurate statements, even if they can be used by others to justify their own falsehoods. Again, I'm a personal freedom guy, I don't take responsibility for the actions of adults. I have routinely called out the 01/06 riot, and did so from the very beginning. I'm not going to feel responsible for people cherry picking posts of mine to prop up their agenda.
Quote:Well, but you do know enough to know that Trump calling the responsibles in Georgia and demand they find him some votes for in reality he won by a large margin anyway is wrong. Or all the stories of millions of illegal votes, ballots in creeks, forged election mail in votes and all the other stuff every court threw out laughing. Or that Mike Pence should be hanged.
I do, and have rightfully condemned them. I have already conceded the vast difference in severity between 01/06 and Abrams claims.
Quote:I'm not calling you hypocritical. What I will say is that you are very eager to point out hypocricies with liberal opinions, at times imho with too broad a brush, and at the same time are quite unwilling to point out all the hypocritical stances of the more conservative posters. Like those who claim liberals have no right to critizise any of Trump's election fraud claims or Green bay sweeps or Capitol storms when they did not refute Abrams or Hillary just as strongly for way minor offenses.
That's very easy to explain. One, until very recently there weren't very many conservative posters here. Bfine, michaelsean and Brad (and I don't honestly count Brad the same way I don't count Forever Spinning for the left leaning posters) were pretty much the only regulars. They had no shortage of people willing to call out their perceived hypocrisy. I'm not a pile on type of guy, if someone else has made the same point I would have made I see no reason to restate the point myself. Consequently, again until very recently, the left leaning posters had very few people calling them out. Michaelsean will do so, but he's amore laid back type of dude. Bfine certainly did, and may have gone too far on occasion (IMO no further than some left leaning posters who are still here, but that's my opinion and not a criticism of the moderation here, which I find to be largely fair and consistent). So that essentially just left me. So I can understand your perception being what it is, and I'll honestly give it some thought and maybe you've got more of a point than I'm admitting to myself, but I don't feel it's because of a bias one way or the other. In the end, for most of the country I'd be considered a liberal, and certainly not a right winger.
