05-18-2022, 09:17 PM
(05-17-2022, 11:21 PM)Dill Wrote: Sounds like you missed my point about Prasad. YOu think it "word salad" if I say that identifying misinformation (and rather easily at that), is not the best way to argue that identifying misinformation is too difficult to entrust to government? What do you think his argument is?
For the history of small pox and polio vaccine have settled that. I'm glad the government steps in to insure that our food is hygienically prepared. I'm glad they protect dying people from scams like Laetrile. I'll bet Prasad agrees. So why is he using this minor example to undermine trust in government in general?
I do not see where Dr Prasad is claiming disinformation is impossibly hard to define while defining it, so I tried to understand the asterisked part where you tried to explain it. It's a tough read.
No where in the video did Prasad say that the number of covid deaths cannot be quantified. Rather he said that you cannot quantify that misinformation is the leading cause of covid deaths...which is exactly what Califf said @ 1:32.
Quote:Is yours that, because one official tried to scare people into taking a serious problem seriously, government is not to be trusted with vetting and promulgating medical research/information?
My point is that when even one official tells a blatant lie, regardless of his intent, it hurts their integrity and undermines the trust that we need to have in them. Wasn't this one of Donald Trump's biggest problems?
So you're okay with government officials telling 'Noble Lies' in order to get people to take something seriously? Given your earlier reply that "I agree with Prasad that a government official should not make such a 'wildly absurd and false claim,' even if it is not a claim like "masks don't work," which might actually lead to deaths," it sounds like we agree, and you aren't either.
So what is YOUR argument here?
And as much as you're trying to minimize it, it's not just one official. Dr Fauci has lied several times "for the good of the country." Also, Donald Trump was "just one guy" too.
https://slate.com/technology/2021/07/noble-lies-covid-fauci-cdc-masks.html
You're also trying to minimize the power and influence that these people have. The head of the FDA and the NIH wield a lot of power and can easily influence policy. The last two years have proven it.
Quote:For the history of small pox and polio vaccine have settled that. I'm glad the government steps in to insure that our food is hygienically prepared. I'm glad they protect dying people from scams like Laetrile. I'll bet Prasad agrees. So why is he using this minor example to undermine trust in government in general?
This is a Red Herring and has zero relevance to the discussion and is only here to distract and to gaslight.
Quote:As for Garland and the Mueller Report, I think the Juresic/Wittes article sums it up well enough. They give 5 reasons why Garland may or may not be acting on this. I am fine with everything they say. What could I add?
Again, if there truly is damning evidence that can get a prosecution, then there are no excuses to not indict Trump. Especially given the gravity of the charges and who is being charged.
Quote:I hope you are not trying to argue that if Garland is not prosecuting, then the documented obstruction really wasn't there, and really wasn't illegal.
We don't know because Trump has not been indicted, tried, or convicted. To me, the lack of indictment speaks volumes about Garlands confidence to win a case with the evidence in the Mueller report.
