05-20-2022, 05:36 PM
(05-19-2022, 11:14 PM)Dill Wrote: Back to K.K. and Russiagate,
1. Can you cite some MSM journalists who actually said Trump was "Putin's puppet," as opposed to an unwitting asset? "Puppet" here would be someone who could be counted on to take orders from Putin, requiring some link of communication, or perhaps some quid pro quo, like the hotel in Moscow Trump wants; while "unwitting asset" would be someone who helped Putin by creating chaos and division, especially within his own government and intel agencies, and in American foreign policy--all while needing no direct prompting from Putin at all. So in the choice between the chaos candidate and Hillary or Biden, it would always be Trump. That choice would require no collusion.
https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/if-trump-isnt-putins-puppet-why-does-he-act-he-msna944701
That took about 3 nanoseconds on google.
Quote:he sent more troops to Syria, supposedly to "combat Russian influence." But Obama first sent troops there to fight ISIS, and Mattis resigned because Trump was pulling them out after Al Baghdadi was killed, leaving hundreds of our Kurdish allies to be killed by the Turks.
Do you think that it was a bad idea for Biden to pull troops out of Afghanistan?
Answer carefully (this should be interesting).
Even so, that's beside the point. You're deflecting. You're minimizing what Trump did that was counter to the Putin puppet/asset narrative (sending MORE troops to Syria) by crediting Obama for sending them originally and highlighting the consequences of the withdrawal.
Quote:2) Trump imposed sanctions on Russia; how does THAT help Putin? Well, as I understand it, Trump's first NSC advisor told the Russians, secretly and illegally, that Trump would mitigate sanctions once he got into office.He wouldn't be the first President.....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0mgQaFlo_p8
(playing the diversion game is fun!)
Quote:3) TRUMP SENT MILITARY AID TO UKRAINE!!! Hannity and others say this is more proof he was tougher than Obama, who actually initiated many of the Russia sanctions Trump wanted to end or reduce. Yet Trump added a little reported codicil that the Javelins sent could not be used against the Russian-backed separatists, for whom the Ukrainians requested military aid in the first place. Trump sent them missiles--on condition they couldn't use them. One does not have to be a master of geopolitics to see how that helps Putin. https://www.businessinsider.com/republicans-leaving-out-key-detail-trump-javelin-sale-to-ukraine-2019-1
Bullshit. This is misinformation.
It helps if you read the actual Physical Security and Accountability Plan CLICK HERE
It plainly says they can be used "In the event of hostilities or imminent hostilities" in paragraph 10. Says nothing about not using them against separatists. In fact, at the time, France 24 (a LEFT leaning news org) reported that was why they were specifically sold to the Ukrainians. HERE
On a side note, the article that you linked said that "Under the rules of the sale, the Javelin missiles have to be stored in western Ukraine, which is far from the frontlines of the ongoing conflict in the eastern part of the country"
This again is complete bullshit and misinformation
No where in the PSaA Plan does it say that. It does lay out specific requirements in section 1 that they are required to be stored in facilities meet the same requirements for storage that are required in the US. The nearest facility to meet that requirement was in the western part of the state and thats why there were "required" to be there.
You were mislead by misinformation. You need better sources.
Quote:The only evidence that I am aware of that Trump ever created difficulties for Putin was Fiona Hill's testimony that P found Trump's ignorance frustrating. He had to keep re-explaining issues to him--https://ca.style.yahoo.com/fiona-hill-says-putin-got-202020224.html
Did you sleep through Trump pressuring that construction of the Nord Stream pipeline be shut down?
