Trump-Biden Debates set

[Mike M (the other one)]

(05-21-2024, 08:42 PM)hollodero Wrote: Yeah so if it is close, you have all legal rights to demand a recount, and/or to go to court with all evidence of errors or misdeeds, these are the avenues to take. The avenue a president can absolutely not take is to just demand to find him the exact number of votes to win. That can not be excused with not trusting the ballot counts or anything. It is ordering a win, plain and simple.

How does being on his last straw even factor into it? Hillary was on her last straw in 2016 too, would that have made it ok for her to call state secretaries and demand they find her the exact number of votes to win their state? Because again, I feel you're making arguments that you would absolutely not accept if the other side made them in a similar circumstance.



Oh of course I expected him to. That does not remotely make it ok though, nor does the argument of "that's his nature". I have never heard anyone successfully defend himself by making this claim after a wrongdoing. I mean, what if Hillary had said yeah I run a private server and send classified mails through it, but I'm Hillary and I'm careless, that's just my nature, so get off my back? (And yeah, what she said was possibly not that far removed from that, but I guess we both agree that it was and is an inacceptable defense.)

That you care about legality above all else in the case of electors, imho, is a bit strange. I'm fairly certain it was never the idea of the founders to allow for alternate electors in an obvious betrayal of the state's voters, even if states failed to codify that in the possible belief that no serious person would ever explore that avenue. I mean, fake electors are obviously not the right thing to do, I don't need a court's judgment for that general determination. Then again, you did say it was a bad move, I guess I take what I can get.

I think it was a poor thing to do. It's a tricky spot for sure and doesn't look very good. If he did have the votes, would we even be discussing it still?

as far as the Founders?
Well that's fair but there is also alot of loose interpretation of what was written.


Right now we have Dems pushing the envelope in Alabama and Ohio to get Biden on the ballot. Why? The rules didn't change, but they still think they are above that. Alabama had to re-write the law to get Biden on the ballot, and now Ohio is having to do the same. 

Now my question is, If this was Kennedy or another 3rd Party candidate, would they still do the same to make sure he's on the ballot? Likely not, they would just say follow the rules.