Biden vs. Trump debate

Poll: What will happen at the presidential debate 7-27-24> This poll is closed.
Moderators ask Biden safe questions, while laying the heat on Trump	10.00%	6	10.00%
Biden has questions pre-screened, Trump gets lambasted questions	8.33%	5	8.33%
Biden gets juiced before	8.33%	5	8.33%
Both candidates are asked the same questions fairly	6.67%	4	6.67%
Biden collapses on stage in order to put the change of the Democratic candidate in motion	1.67%	1	1.67%
Trump get's angry and makes an ass out of himself	13.33%	8	13.33%
Joe mentions Beau to garnish sympthy	8.33%	5	8.33%
Trump attacks and prevents Biden from answering questions making him look like an idiot	10.00%	6	10.00%
Biden refers to Trump as a felon	11.67%	7	11.67%
Trump gets hic Mic cut off while speaking in turn	3.33%	2	3.33%
Both will shake hands before/after the debate	1.67%	1	1.67%
Trump gets his stuff together and reveals plans to solve national issues without attacks on Biden	1.67%	1	1.67%
Protestors interrupt debate	1.67%	1	1.67%
Trumps breathes desperately through his nose	3.33%	2	3.33%
Trump cries last election stolen	10.00%	6	10.00%
Total		60 vote(s)	100%

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Biden vs. Trump debate

Dill

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07-01-2024, 11:25 AM

(06-30-2024, 02:35 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: Deflection. How Trump may respond to something has no bearing on how Biden would. Especially as Biden is clearly senile. I understand why you want to dodge that, but it's not going to be allowed.

"Allowed"??? The debate was staged so we could judge both candidates. How Trump responds to something should have some bearing on how his performance is judged, and his possible performance as president.

(06-30-2024, 02:35 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: This is a very poor take. None of our adversaries tried to pull much of anything when Trump was POTUS. Iran got their top general smoked and responded with one attack. This is especially noteworthy when one considers that Putin annexed Crimea while Obama was POTUS (aren't you usually concerned about land grabs?) and then invaded the main body of Ukraine while Biden is POTUS. This directly flies in the face of your conclusion that Trump is "good" for our adversaries and bad for our allies.

This has been the MAGA take for some time now, rather different from that of the foreign policy establishment of the US and our NATO allies. Putin is responding to a specific balances of forces and opportunities in his region, not to whom is US president--the one MAGA variable.

This doesn't "fly in the face" of my conclusion that Trump divides the country, introduces chaos into government--especially our intel services--and generates concern among our allies that we are not a reliable partner. I'm just considering more variables than you.

(06-30-2024, 02:35 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: Ahahaha, Trump's debate performance raised your concerns? You really live in an alternate reality, don't you?
I think anyone advocating for an outright senile POTUS is far less concerned with democracy or the nation's future then they are with partisanship. You're doing an excellent job of making that point for me here, so my thanks.

Right now, I am defining "alternative reality" as the one where Biden stole the election and now has weaponized the DOJ to against Trump, who has given up his private life to fight for the average American.

So I live in the "reality" which rejects that conspiracy and recognizes it is used to manipulate tens of millions into supporting an autocrat, to the delight of adversaries like Putin. You had tremendous difficulty recognizing the Trump threat in 2020. No different this time around.