Biden vs. Trump debate

[Dill]

(07-01-2024, 11:40 AM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: Right now, I am defining "alternative reality" as the one where Biden stole the election and now has weaponized the DOJ to against Trump, who has given up his private life to fight for the average American.

Fascinating.  Also not what we're discussing.  We're discussing the debate, not the events of four years ago.  I absolutely understand why you want to discuss pretty much anything else, but it's rather boring.  There are plenty of threads to engage on this topic.

You are putting on a clinic in compartmentalization.

Sorry, but Trump is in the debate as GOP candidate because tens of millions either believe his lie about a stolen election, or don't rank threats to democracy very highly, or both. That lie, in turn, validates his legitimacy as a candidate to those tens of millions, and establishes the platform from which he will decide policy--especially regarding law enforcement.  He was asked DURING THE DEBATE WE ARE DISCUSSING, to confirm or deny that those hundreds convicted of trashing the Capitol and assaulting police officers were "HEROES." Did you catch his answer?  

But you don't want to discuss the fact that Trump power rests on a lie embraced by millions, and how he might use that power to delude and manipulate. 
That's "boring." There are other threads. 

(07-01-2024, 11:40 AM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: Trump is an autocrat now?  I guess anything to distract you from Biden's bedshitting performance last week. 
So, cards on the table.  After that debate performance are you comfortable with Biden as POTUS?   

You aren't sure, or doubt, that Trump is an autocrat? And you've been strongly opposed to any discussion of historical or social-science scholarship on authoritarian government and backsliding democracies, like it's all just partisan name-calling.  

And no, I'm not "comfortable" with Biden as president. But I'm much less comfortable with an autocrat who tried to seize power illegally after four years of chaotic administration, and now, propelled back into power by a mass of true believers, promises retribution if he gets into office.  This looks like incredible partisanship to you because now, as back in 2020, you don't see any special threat in Trump; complaints about his criminality, disregard for democracy, and power over the "perceptions" of millions, are so "four years ago."