Biden vs. Trump debate

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(07-01-2024, 12:48 PM)hollodero Wrote: Yeah, he was treated unfairly at times. But for one, everyone who is president was treated unfairly at times. But mostly, I have a hard time accepting the argument "look at what democrats did" or "look how the media reported inaccurately about him". They all did. But there's just a reality beyond the narratives. Like Trump having a loose morale, eg. he ran a scam university, misappropriated charity money to buy paintings of himself, all these things are true and of course only the top molecules of the iceberg.
You say "witch hunt", something Trump used regarding the Russia investigation, and yeah there's the clash of narratives. Completely vindicated vs. definitely guilty. The reality is that his campaign manager and a close advisor of his were convicted over blatant Russia connections, there was a Russian campaign with organized hacks and social media campaigns reaching way over 100 million users on facebook alone, trump's son only got off because he was deemed too ignorant to know the law, Trump himself did plenty of dubious things, the Mueller report is full of it, and he was explicitely not vindicated. And Trump knew about russia's influence and still publicly said 'might be China, might be a fat guy', he pretended to believe Putin over his own intelligence people in such a matter of national security, that is not a narrative and imho you can not claim witch hunt when all of this took place.

But again, that is all not to say that the media and democrats dd not often overplay their hand and brought nonsense stories, or even bowing to folks like Avenatti, Cohen or his disgruntled niece etc, all real embarrassing stuff that would fill pages to list. I just caution from concluding that Trump is merely a victim whose issues actually are just miniscule. You say he's a douche and an egomaniac, it's appreciated you see the perspective, but I'd argue he's plenty more, like for example clue- and reckless and an authoritarian at heart, and I say things like that because Trump claims to "have fallen in love with Kim", tries his best to overthrow election results and things like that that also would fill pages. The media narrative does not factor into it much when I say this guy is not suited to be president, who imho should meet the minimal requirement of accepting the peaceful transfer of power or not admiring brutal dictators and then some.

PS that is not to say I feel comfortable with Biden as president for four more years. Somehow the self-proclaimed (and arguably actually) greatest country on earth produces the most ill suited candidates for the highest office probably ever wittnessed in any western country. It's time to inform Houston.

Sorry, this makes no sense. Trump has been attacked by Democrats and the left media since 2016. You definitely don't get it if you think Trump colluded with Russia. You mentioned in an earlier thread about Manafort being indicted as a result of the Russian Hoax. You failed to mention Manafort was convicted of not registering as a foreign agent, not Russian collusion. Hunter and Jim Biden never registered as a foreign agent, yet they have never been charged. Why? We know they got millions from foreign countries.

The liberal media brain washed you and others Trump is the devil. Trump exposed them and continues to expose the liberal media as fake news. Yes, they hate him. But the reality is Trump was the POTUS for 4 years. He stopped ISIS quickly as he said he would. He did not get us in another war, only President to accomplish this in decades.
He delivered a huge tax cut to the middle class. He had the economy rolling until Covid hit, then he had to spend trillions to stop the US from going into a depression.

He had year over year inflation of a little of 5%, in contrast Biden is at close to 20% inflation. He kept interest rates in check for mortgages, credit cards and autos. Biden' poor inflation was self-inflicted by reversing Trump immigration and fossil fuel policies.

Biden had the border under control, Biden's border is pure chaos.

Trump would not be my best friend. But remove all the personal BS attacks as not all are real, Trump was a much better POTUS than Biden. I respect Trump's policies.

Do you respect Biden's policies and the results obtained the pass 3+ years?

I can't think of one Biden policy that made the lower and middle class more financially secure. Can you?