07-01-2024, 02:34 PM
(07-01-2024, 11:02 AM)hollodero Wrote: Sure. It's just, none of the deplorable things that democrats said and did over the years diminish anything Trump says and does. These matters are not intrinsically connected, except when you try to prove that my outrage is selective. An assessment I do not find entirely fair (certainly a little fair, I am not unbiased) when it comes to my person. In general, sure, but again that's imho a weak argument for not being bothered by Trump's conduct.
The other issue is that many of the things you listed do not stem from an actual candidate for president. That's just of a different importance.
I have never said I'm not bothered by Trump's conduct. I am very concerned with much of it. I have never, and will never, vote for him. But, as a Libertarian, I am equally alarmed, maybe more so in some cases, by the very anti-democratic behavior from the party that claims to defend it, and justifies abusing the law to "protect democracy". You're "alarmed" by Trump's behavior, but have shown and admitted that you're oblivious to what the Dems have been slinging for 20+ years. Failing to explode irrationally over every rumor and transgression from Trump doesn't make me an apologist or defender. You're outraged over Jan 6. Fair enough. What was Russia Collusion? That was, at the end of the day, pretty much the same damn thing. You can split hairs that what Trump did was illegal and what the Dems did wasn't, but that's not really a compelling argument.
But my response was to "why do people keep supporting him"? Clean up your own house first. Many people, maybe not you specifically look the other way when it's their party doing it. And it's entirely fair - I don't see you calling out Dems for their abuses, their disdainful rhetoric. If you do that, then I apologize. Otherwise, you look like an outsider who's views on American politics begin and end with Trump.
And absolutely everything I said "stem" from an actual candidate for President. Obama approved and ran the "granny over the cliff" ads. What has really pissed off Dems about Trump from Day 1 is when they call you a racist, you're supposed to cower and defend yourself. But Trump just throws it back at them. That's why he's popular with his base.
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