Biden vs. Trump debate

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(07-01-2024, 02:34 PM)JustWinBaby Wrote: I have never said I'm not bothered by Trump's conduct.  I am very concerned with much of it.  I have never, and will never, vote for him.  But, as a Libertarian, I am equally alarmed, maybe more so in some cases, by the very anti-democratic behavior from the party that claims to defend it, and justifies abusing the law to "protect democracy".

Fair enough.

(07-01-2024, 02:34 PM)JustWinBaby Wrote: You're "alarmed" by Trump's behavior, but have shown and admitted that you're oblivious to what the Dems have been slinging for 20+ years.  Failing to explode irrationally over every rumor and transgression from Trump doesn't make me an apologist or defender.  You're outraged over Jan 6.  Fair enough.  What was Russia Collusion?  That was, at the end of the day, pretty much the same damn thing.  You can split hairs that what Trump did was illegal and what the Dems did wasn't, but that's not really a compelling argument.

But my response was to "why do people keep supporting him"?  Clean up your own house first.  Many people, maybe not you specifically look the other way when it's their party doing it.  And it's entirely fair - I don't see you calling out Dems for their abuses, their disdainful rhetoric.  If you do that, then I apologize.  Otherwise, you look like an outsider who's views on American politics begin and end with Trump.

Well, it's difficult to self-evaluate. I think your critizism is somewhat half fair. I am sure not aware of many histiorical events, and I certainly can not claim to look at it from an unbiased perspective. I know well enough that this changes how one weighs certain issues against each other, even when not on purpose. So, yeah, I'm probably guilty of that somehow, it would be inappropriate to claim otherwise. But then again I believe I have posted plenty of harsh critizism towards democrats and liberals too to not deserve to be painted as completely one-sided.

(07-01-2024, 02:34 PM)JustWinBaby Wrote: And absolutely everything I said "stem" from an actual candidate for President.  Obama approved and ran the "granny over the cliff" ads.  What has really pissed off Dems about Trump from Day 1 is when they call you a racist, you're supposed to cower and defend yourself.  But Trump just throws it back at them.  That's why he's popular with his base.

I think his brazen and vocal disdain for liberals is his most popular asset. Aside from that, I don't think the extreme refusal of Trump was all just about him defending himself against accusations of racism. It also was about him telling more lies than anyone, being vulgar, uneducated, ignorant, having awful policy solutions like a wall, ragetweeting in an embarrassing manner and so on and so forth. Imho you oversimplify it.