Biden vs. Trump debate

Poll: What will happen at the presidential debate 7-27-24> This poll is closed.
Moderators ask Biden safe questions, while laying the heat on Trump	10.00%	6	10.00%
Biden has questions pre-screened, Trump gets lambasted questions	8.33%	5	8.33%
Biden gets juiced before	8.33%	5	8.33%
Both candidates are asked the same questions fairly	6.67%	4	6.67%
Biden collapses on stage in order to put the change of the Democratic candidate in motion	1.67%	1	1.67%
Trump get's angry and makes an ass out of himself	13.33%	8	13.33%
Joe mentions Beau to garnish sympthy	8.33%	5	8.33%
Trump attacks and prevents Biden from answering questions making him look like an idiot	10.00%	6	10.00%
Biden refers to Trump as a felon	11.67%	7	11.67%
Trump gets hic Mic cut off while speaking in turn	3.33%	2	3.33%
Both will shake hands before/after the debate	1.67%	1	1.67%
Trump gets his stuff together and reveals plans to solve national issues without attacks on Biden	1.67%	1	1.67%
Protestors interrupt debate	1.67%	1	1.67%
Trumps breathes desperately through his nose	3.33%	2	3.33%
Trump cries last election stolen	10.00%	6	10.00%
Total		60 vote(s)	100%

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Biden vs. Trump debate

Dill

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07-01-2024, 03:47 PM

(07-01-2024, 02:34 PM)JustWinBaby Wrote: ...But, as a Libertarian, I am equally alarmed, maybe more so in some cases, by the very anti-democratic behavior from the party that claims to defend it, and justifies abusing the law to "protect democracy". You're "alarmed" by Trump's behavior, but have shown and admitted that you're oblivious to what the Dems have been slinging for 20+ years. Failing to explode irrationally over every rumor and transgression from Trump doesn't make me an apologist or defender. You're outraged over Jan 6. Fair enough. What was Russia Collusion? That was, at the end of the day, pretty much the same damn thing. You can split hairs that what Trump did was illegal and what the Dems did wasn't, but that's not really a compelling argument.

Trump's campaign personnel sought and accepted numerous contacts with Russian operatives inside the US, enough to finally trigger an investigation, which lead to a number of convictions, jail sentences, and a finding of Trump "obstruction"--that's what RUSSIA COLLUSION was. Our intel services doing their job--though some of it later undone through Trump pardoning friends. (Pretty sure I've explained this to you before.)

That's pretty much NOT "the same thing" as a defeated president convincing tens of millions the election was stolen, then colluding with RNC in seven different states to create a lest of forge electors to present to the VP during certification, just as the mob said president called to Washington descended on the Capitol in hopes of throwing the election to the House.

That you think the difference between legal action to protect the US and an illegal action to overthrow a valid election is no more than "splitting hairs" is symptom of why US politics have been in such crisis the last 8 years. So many are unable to recognize differences in scale and proportion, much less the legality or illegality of presidential or party actions. Suddenly "rational" is not being "alarmed" over every Trump obstruction, impeachment, coup attempt and return to power, and accepting Trump's version of the Russia investigation. Balance, right?