Biden vs. Trump debate

[Mike M (the other one)]

(07-01-2024, 10:11 PM)Dill Wrote: You only answered half the question.

At least it didn't take him 3 pages of posts to get a half answer. 

(07-01-2024, 10:11 PM)Dill Wrote: Terms like "fiasco" are not very precise. I'm trying to review and compare Biden and Trump's border policies.
Seems the main difference is that Biden did things like stop stop separating parents from children and then send the parents
back home without them.  Trump invoked Title 42 to expel some 400,000 people. Biden kept it in force and expelled two million.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-65574725?scrlybrkr=1ce9ec23

If the border is so bad, why would Trump and MAGA Republicans tank a bill addressing it? 

Do you only see what you want to see? 
Yes wonder how many more Biden would have expelled had he not rescinded it in the middle of the crisis. 
Trump has a much more aggressive interior enforcement that Biden killed first day.

You know what, the differences is too much to list out, just read the article yourself. Then we can talk about the differences or lack their of in Immigration policy between them

https://www.piie.com/blogs/realtime-economics/2024/comparing-trump-biden-major-immigration-policies


As far as that bill? Biden could have enacted an EO at ANY Time that pretty much did that, then had Congress ratify it to make it more legally binding and that bill didn't do nearly enough to curb Immigration. there was no such thing as zero people allowed to be processed, they still had a daily number to do even with the shutdown.

(07-01-2024, 10:11 PM)Dill Wrote: I agree the withdrawal from Afghanistan was bad. But it hardly rates with past military fiascos like the bombing of the Marine barracks in Beirut or even the withdrawal from Vietnam.   

I was NOT for withdrawing from Afghanistan. Both Trump and Biden were. And in my view, the central problem of the withdrawal was that the government there collapsed before the US withdrawal was complete. I don't see why Trump doesn't share part of the blame for everything you mention here, since he negotiated the US pullout directly with the Taliban (Trump trusted them), cutting out the government. That undermining was the prime reason for its premature collapse. 

Nothing in Biden's border handling or withdrawal from A-stan appear illegal; the problems associated with them look like the problems which usually follow from intractable difficult situations. Attempting a coup is something else, and indicates a willingness to lie massively and go outside the law to keep power. It just looks like we weight that differently--you still seeing Trump as someone deserving of trust, who really didn't do anything all that bad. 

After several years it was still a big money sink, we needed to get out. I know you love to blame Trump, but Biden could have reversed course and didn't.

Coup again, why are you changing it to a coup? It was clearly not a coup. But i know it fits your narrative to keep calling it that. It was a peaceful protest that turned into a riot. People on the left keep trying to change it to make it appear worse than what it was. So everytime now you call it a coup, i'm going to correct you. *god this could take a whle.