Biden vs. Trump debate

[hollodero]

(07-03-2024, 12:26 AM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: I'm not really sure what you're disagreeing with me here.  I clearly labeled the event a coup attempt, as ham fisted as it was. I also very clearly lay far more blame for the narrative on this subject on those affiliated with Trump. I am simply saying that exaggerating the events ends up having the opposite effect. This is especially true when "a threat to our democracy" becomes a bland talking point for the Dems regarding other topics and is overused to the point of absurdity.

Well, the whole debate stems from contention whether coup attempt is an appropriate term. As for my disagreement with you, it's mainly about you saying that Democrats grossly overstate how serious the event was. I don't think so at all. Often on the contrary, I wonder why Biden did not mention much of anything about it, not fake electors, not the Raffensperger call, all the things that make Trump guilty of attempting a coup. Which, imho, is pretty much synonymous with seeing him as a threat to democracy, for coup attempts are most certainly that.
Can one really oversuse that narrative, I have to wonder. Biden gets called mentally gone and demented all the time now, is there a point where this narrative gets overused to the point of absurdity? That could save Biden if it were so, this narrative will get used plenty from now on, but I don't think it will save him.

(07-03-2024, 12:26 AM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: The goal is to reach those people in the middle.  You've already got your base and you're not getting the base of the other party.  The Dem strategy in this regard has been poorly planned and executed, and it's a large part of the reason Trump is very likely to win in November.

I don't know about that really. In this instance, I tried to reach Mike after he claimed it was clearly not a coup attempt. I think it's benefitial to try to convince him otherwise, might he be the middle or the base, I don't even know that for sure. It's also benefitial, imho, to convince the democrat's base of Biden's apparent unfitness for office. The base nominates those folks in the first place. And the middle? If liberals now start to shut up about Jan 6 and all the other instances I mentioned, then the middle might just assume that it was indeed not all that bad and republicans were right all along. I do understand that this can be seen differently, but that would still be another point of disagreement with your take.
And imho Trump will win for different reasons, eg. his opponent, the system and then some. If it's overusing the threat to democracy narrative, I don't really think so.