Biden vs. Trump debate

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(07-02-2024, 02:57 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: By overstating it.  It being the first does not greaten, or lessen its severity.  If you used a scale from 1-100, 1 being no coup attempt at all and 100 being outright civil war then the Trump attempt would possibly break single digits, and not by much.  It doesn't make it better, but it doesn't make it as bad as people like you prefer to view it.   

"By overstating it" is a non-answer to the question of HOW such an event could be overstated.  

Your 1-100 scale is just a numerical metaphor expressing your impression that the first coup attempt in history, based on a delusion of millions of voters
which continues to the present and massively alters the shape of current US politics, was not all that. 

Nevermind that one consequence of attempts to hold Trump accountable is the ruling of Trump's SCOTUS that presidents are immune from criminal prosecution for any action which could remotely be construed as part of of their "core duties"--effectively writing protection of Trump into law. Another consequence of "first" coup whose effects you've dismissed as "four years ago."   

(07-02-2024, 02:57 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: Quote:And duped Trump supporters "legitimately" believed the election was stolen?

Of course.  Or are you prescient and know that every single one of them didn't actually believe the election was stolen?  That would be quite impressive.

Yes, if you are on one side and Luvnit is on the other I am most assuredly the "middle ground" as you chose to put it.

Quote:Seems to me more likely that a large segment of the population then and now has not grasped the implications of an attack on the foundational
legitimizing act of democratic government. Or they do and don't care. They are prepared to put the attacker back in office with greatly enhanced 
power, knowing his penchant for criminal, anti-democratic behavior.  

Seems to me you're just as hysterical as those you deride.  It's not just MAGA types who are ready to reinstall Trump as POTUS.  Your complete blindness to that being yet another symptom of your radical leanings.

If Trump supporters were swayed by a lie, then their beliefs were not "legitimate." Perhaps you meant "sincerely." I'd agree with that. And that's still a serious problem.

Nothing in my quoted statement suggests it's "MAGA types" alone who are ready to reinstall Trump because they have not grasped the implications of the coup.  Attributing to me a position which I haven't taken and then calling your attribution MY "complete blindness" is just a tactic, not an argument. 

As is positioning yourself in some "middle" between people who think the coup was immensely consequential for US politics and people who think it was not all that, while arguing it was not all that.