Biden vs. Trump debate

[Dill]

(07-03-2024, 10:49 AM)hollodero Wrote: OK, I am out of my element on this one, I don't know where it belongs; I also feel whether it should have been in a federal court instead is not the important issue at hand.

OK, I need to be educated on that one. I know about singular rogue electors that didn't vote the way that was demanded of them, and yes that is bizarre enough (and yet one more sign of how outdated and prone to betrayal the whole election system is). But, and that is just the way I understood it, they were just individuals trying to be smart, but never were part of a grand orchestrated scheme where a whole bunch of alternate electors was selected to obscure the results. If my take is correct and it was "just" things like that, then these instances don't really compare well.

Yeah it just seems both sides have no interest in that, which imho makes the system not so great.

Just to bring you up to speed, Hollo, federal elections are run by states, not the federal government. That's why states prosecute election fraud in their states. E.g., those responsible for Trump's forged slates of electors are prosecuted by state governments. 
https://www.npr.org/2022/01/25/1075304670/prosecutors-in-multiple-states-are-investigating-false-electoral-college-submiss

I think you are quite right that state/federal is not the real issue, if you mean that the real issue is that Trump should be held accountable somewhere for what he did, not re-elected for showing his willingness to break the law to stay in power.

As far as "whattabout Dems submitting lists of forged electors?"-- that's just more disinformation. E.g., in the case of Hawaii, 1960, there was a legitimate question of who won the state, Nixon or Kennedy, and so Dems prepared an "unofficial" slate transparently, above board, not in secret. When a recount showed definitively that Kennedy won, the Dems presented their slate, cleared by a judge, certified by the Hawaii governor, and sent to DC as Hawaii's legal and legitimate votes. It's only after you run it through 5 minutes of Fox/Newsmax commentary and all the relevant factors are eliminated that you get to "both sides do it."  But that's enough for a plurality of voters now.

https://www.politico.com/news/2022/02/07/1960-electoral-college-certificates-false-trump-electors-00006186
https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/politics/politifactwisconsin/2023/12/15/fact-check-johnson-claim-dems-used-alternative-electors-repeatedly/71895208007/

A reminder: One side's presidential candidate attempted a coup and they want to re elect him. The other side wants him held accountable, and very much NOT re-elected given his criminal actions. That is not "both sides" just trying to "1up" each other instead of "voting what's best."