Biden vs. Trump debate

[Dill]

(07-02-2024, 07:21 PM)Luvnit2 Wrote: Since my name was interjected by SSF, for the record I have said the election was not stolen by voter fraud. I said it was stolen due to our government working with the DNC to suppress the Hunter Biden laptop story. Biden's get handed a letter with 51 signatures saying to not trust the Hunter Biden Laptop as being legit, may be Russian disinformation.

NY Post was banned from Facebook after posting a factual story. Later we find out government was telling social media to be on alert for Russian disinformation. So, 2 times Russia was inserted by Democrats to change the direction of an election.

Now fast forward and NY Post was correct and all the social media companies who banned the HB laptop story were wrong. But our government n=knew the truth about the HB laptop being legit a year prior to October 2020, yet let the letter speak to the public as truth.

How is that not taking sides and election interference by the US government?

We had pretty thorough discussion of this back in 2021. And your post is a good example of adjusting facts AFTER the fact to keep a desired conclusion. Massive and massively crazy Trump lies about election fraud could not be confirmed though they were amplified in the RWM, but now, thanks to Hannity et al, you've figured out a way to keep the "election was stolen" shtick going--THE MEDIA and intel services stole it, and, extra bonus, that's now the REAL COUP. 

And how did they steal it? By trying to fight back against the wave of disinformation--some of it coming from abroad--which was swamping the internet, circulated and amplified by right wing media outlets like the NYPost. 

The issue in Oct 2020 was whether the NYPost should have jumped on an unvetted story based on a laptop held by the master disinformer, Giuliani, now DISBARRED for his role in spreading election lies. 

MSM sources decided not to do that, and then initially treated the story as a question about journalistic responsibility, once the NYPost broke it to help Trump. That was on Oct 14, 2020, well before the election. 51 people with intel credentials rightly saw reason for caution regarding a laptop which fell out of "stop the steal!" Rudy's lap and into the NYPost. Meanwhile the 51's much less credible counterparts on the right were linking the laptop to other disinformation about Joe Biden and Ukraine, namely that he fired a prosecutor there to protect his son. 

FBI & Intel services & Homeland Security =/= "the Dems"--especially while Trump was still president. They were right to warn US news outlets to be on guard against disinformation. You can ONLY have a problem with that if you prize political gain through disinformation.

There is no good reason to suppose that a laptop showing Hunter Biden's bad behavior would have cost Joe the election, if intel experts had not expressed (legally) caution or the FBI validated its ownership publicly; it's only value since has really been a succession of failed attempts to impeach Biden, to create more false equivalence: "both sides" have impeached corrupt candidates, so no ethical principle can favor one over the other.  Possibly the greatest MAGA false equivalence so far is treating the effort to fight back against the mass of disinformation coming from the Trump and allies as some kind of "media coup" and the REAL crime--not Trump's actual coup attempt. 

The proper caution used approaching the laptop should not be spun as "lies' or suppression of information and some great conspiracy to help Biden; that only sanctions more conspiratorial thinking and disinformation.  This is no equivalent to the Trump/Giuliani/Powell show with its Italian satellites and Chinese paper and Dominion voting machines switching votes which convinced enough MAGA followers to come to DC to put their lives on the line for Trump's lie. 

Should Trump win the election, expect similar crazy manipulation of definitions to generate more false equivalence to guide real "with hunts" against people who exercising legal rights and duties.