02-09-2016, 11:32 AM
(02-08-2016, 10:24 PM)Sovereign Nation Wrote: Wrong. You don't get to choose the parameters. That isn't real debate. You don't get to say... let us focus on the US but not smaller areas like Selma, which is in ruin. Or larger areas, such as Africa, which is in ruin.
You want to pick and choose the the parameters so you can control the argument.
Won't work with me.
Using your argument, if blacks lived in a time where they are slaves then they can use the victim card... however slavery ended in the US in 1865.
It was white people that did away with slavery. Blacks didn't free themselves. William Wilberforce, William Pitt, John Newton and Charles James Fox, worked hard convincing the British Government to outlaw slavery and sent British ships out to stop the trade from continuing.
There are countless white people that have died putting an end to the notion of slavery.
What do we get for it? Constant reminder of how at one time whites in America owned slaves. Constant accusations of racism.
No apologies from me. No guilt here.
Again, you are not addressing what people arereally saying. Instead you make strawmen to knock down
I am not blaming you for slavery or Jim Crow. I never asked you to feel guilty about any of that. I have never denied that white people ended slavery and later helped the blacks obtain equal rights. Even black people admit that it would none of that would have been possible without the help of white people. All of those are strawmen that you make up to justify your anger.
You point out areas controlled by blacks that in disarray (SA, Selma?) and I can point out areas controlled by whites. like the Ukraine and rural Appalachia, that are in disarray due to poverty and violence. And I can also point out very peaceful countries controlled by blacks like Ghana and Botswana. So these are just selective examples you set up to support your position.
All I am doing is pointing out that in the United States white people control a disproportionate amount of the power wealth, media, and political control. There is a benefit to being an "insider" in this country. In fact many white people still view all black people as dangerous criminals. There is a benefit to not being saddled with that stereotype judgement. White people have not been victims of "racial profiling". There are lots of privileges that white people have in this country. And they have nothing to do with guilt or blame.
