05-09-2016, 01:08 PM
(05-06-2016, 02:17 PM)fredtoast Wrote: http://www.houstontexans.com/news/article-2/Johnathan-Joseph-A-decade-of-excellence/1b7ef0f3-7abc-46e1-b7ff-70dd615eba4a
“After my rookie year, my second year in the league, I broke my foot,” Joseph said. “The surgery went well but it didn’t heal all the way. The doctors told me I had the option to either have surgery again right then and there once I got cleared to practice, or I could wait it out and wait until it breaks again.”
Eager to get back on the field, Joseph chose the second option. He played just over half a season when suffered the same break in his left foot. It was the third time in his young career that Joseph had to deal with a broken bone in his foot, twice in his left and once in his right.
I don't remember arguing with you over this, but I am not surprise that you though you were right when you were clearly wrong.
(05-09-2016, 09:08 AM)fredtoast Wrote: No. That is Johnathan Joseph's story, and I am pretty sure he is sticking to it.
Okay, let's explore that "story."
The first fracture happened after his rookie season in 2007. He had surgery on his left foot before the start of the season. Joseph has been quoted as saying the injury occured while covering Chad Johnson on a route during minicamp June 2007.
According to the story you quoted, Joseph played "just over half a season" when he suffered the same break in the same foot.
Problem is he didn't miss any time at the end of 2007 due to injury . . .
http://www.nfl.com/player/johnathanjoseph/2495872/gamelogs?season=2007
However, he did miss time at the end of 2008 after the Philadelphia game . . .
http://www.nfl.com/player/johnathanjoseph/2495872/gamelogs?season=2008
Because the Bengals put him on IR after he had season ending foot surgery. According to Hobson, he had surgery on the right foot . . .
http://www.bengals.com/news/article-1/Joseph-100-percent/163521d7-8bc2-4d7e-9ea0-9230c8ff667e
Hobson reported it was a recurring stress fracture, but he just reported if affected a different foot than the 2007 fracture. Plus, it happened 17 months later, not "just over half a season." Is it "recurring" if it isn't in the same foot? Is it recurring if it happens 17 months later? Is it a stress fracture if the player knows exactly when the injury occured each time? The answers are no, no, and no. A stress fracture has an insidious onset. Patients can't tell you exactly when it happened, but the can tell you it just keeps getting worse and worse. So I can tell you it was an acute fracture and not a stress fracture from his history.
Your article quoted Joseph stating, " The doctors told me I had the option to either have surgery again right then and there once I got cleared to practice" is incorrect. If he needed a second surgery why would the doctors wait until he was cleared to practice? They wouldn't. They would perform the surgery as quickly as possible to get him back on the field as quickly as possible. Could he be cleared for practice if he need a second surgery "right then and there"? No.
The most commonly broken bone in the foot is the 5th metatarsal. The most common fracture of the 5th metatarsal is the Dancer's fracture. The most common way to break it is rolling your ankle. For a Joe Blow like yourself a Dancer's fracture would be treated with a walking boot for about 6 weeks. For a pro athlete, they'll pin it. Sometimes you might get a nonunion Dancer's fracture with or without surgery because "it didn't heal all the way." What do they do for that? Nothing unless it is bothering the patient because I've seen people walk around with one of those and didn't even know they had it. It would take the same mechanism of injury with the same amount of force to break it a second time as it did the first time. It is not "recurring" in the sense the first fracture lead to the second fracture, but rather because the player broke the most commonly broken bone in his foot in the most common way . . . again. A Jone's fracture is very similar to a Dancer's fracture, but I can't imagine anyone allowing a player with a nonunion Jone's fracture to play until after surgery. Lastly, if Joseph knew a second surgery was needed why didn't he have the surgery during the 2008 offseason rather than waiting until it broke in Nov 2008?
Both stories are filled with inaccuracies, so I guess it boils down to which inaccurate story you want to believe. How good are your prognoses based off of inaccurate media stories, fred? Apparently, not very good since Jospeh's "recurring" foot stress fracture seems to have stopped recurring.
