Terrorist act in Orlando

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(06-15-2016, 02:01 PM)JustWinBaby Wrote: Well, you apologizing for her assuming she lived in a closed culture when she very clearly didn't.  So, yeah, you should retract what you said because it was horribly wrong and pathetic.

I think both of you are right and wrong to some extent. Maybe "right" or "wrong" isn't the correct way to say this, but here's my two cents.


I think bfine is correct in that there is a closed culture in some parts of American Islam ( however, I do know he didn't say this, but he seemed to imply that this is widespread, again, apologies if I mischaracterized your opinion). The percentage of this "closed" culture within the larger group of American Islam is where we need more information prior to ascribing characteristics to this whole group. Bfine is absolutely correct in stating (or implying) that in this particular case, the disturbed man who committed this atrocity was definitely part of a closed culture. I'm sure some Afghans and Somalis among others fit into this description (but to what extent needs to be known further). 

You might be right to say that she is westernized ( and I think that a majority of the second generation of American Muslims with parents who were raised in a foreign culture) have a great deal of western qualities in them, considering most of their life if not all of it was spent in western schools and other community areas growing up with and around Americans. 

I also think that Bfine is likely correct in that she probably feared for her life. However, this is not only limited to her culture. There are plenty of battered women (I understand this is not a discussion of domestic violence) of western and non-western culture who would fear for their life or the safety of their family due to their husbands/boyfriend etc. However, the fact that she has a facebook account etc. shows neither that she was or wasn't from a closed culture nor anything necessarily about  her mental state of fear.  

I guess I'm saying that we need to post more info before we can say one way or another for sure.