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It's Draft Time: Impeachment Edition
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(02-24-2017, 10:26 AM)michaelsean Wrote: Again, there was nothing wrong with the mission itself.  You keep assuming there was some intel that they ignored.  The mission was leaked, and that was discovered by an intercept as the were enroute.  They chose to go forward.  

Obviously I'm no Obama fan, but you didn't see me flip out when a drone strike killed a 16yr old American citizen.  Did he measure twice there?  How many times did he measure when we wiped out a wedding party?

I keep assuming there was no specific "mission." There was a general plan, at the discussion stage, to use spec ops to gather intel. This would be the first time US "boots on the ground" were used in Yemen. Obama and his NSC did not have time to evaluate properly the risks of such special op missions in Yemen. He did not "ok" a specific mission and then pass it on to Trump. His NSC expected Trump's team would use due diligence to assess the feasibility of such missions and the use of US personnel.

Trump has promised to speed up the process for oking commando missions. Keeping his promise, he and his team did not take the time to deliberate. He said "go" while having dinner with Bannon. While Americans were fighting on the ground, he was tweeting about a television appearance.

Not surprisingly, There was plenty wrong with the mission itself. You can't "ignore" intel if you don't collect it.

U.S. military officials told Reuters that Trump approved his first covert counterterrorism operation without sufficient intelligence, ground support or adequate backup preparations.As a result, three officials said, the attacking SEAL team found itself dropping onto a reinforced al Qaeda base defended by landmines, snipers, and a larger than expected contingent of heavily armed Islamist extremists. http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-commando-idUSKBN15G5RX

Do you understand the difference between special ops and drone strikes?  The president does not ok every drone strike in Yemen or Afghanistan or Syria or Iraq. The drones patrol set areas and the people controlling them have a protocol for engagement. So Obama was not "measuring" at all in the strikes you reference. Drone strikes do not cost American lives unless they Americans traveling with AQ. And they do not risk millions in equipment.

And I do see you flip out when an American Ambassador outstrips his security on a dangerous night, on orders from no one but himself, and gets killed. Then you are all upset about "lies"--until Trump is in the White House telling you his raid was already planned by Obama and a success.
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You can kiss him goodbye! - xxlt - 06-10-2017, 10:31 AM
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