03-05-2017, 06:01 PM
Really don't want to open 10.000 threads, but I need to know. The US is patient zero now, as to how the alt-right plans to conduct their agenda, and Europe needs to study and prepare. It's coming if Trump doesn't implode soon. And he won't in that climate.
So now a new high, or low, is reached yet again, when Trump blamed Obama for wiretapping him and called him a "sick guy". Please share your thoughts on that one. Especially - what should be the consequence if these accusations are indeed baseless and Obama did not order such a thing.
I give mine and then I shut up again. First, even if Trump was surveilled, that doesn't mean in any way that his claims were right, or correct, or however this is turned. He blamed Obama directly. If Obama wasn't directly involved, Trump lied. No nuance to defend his tweets there. Either Obama illegally ordered a wire tap, or Trump is an arsonist that has no intention of uniting the country.
Second, and this is a very personal stance, it is a bit heartbreaking. It's totally fine with me to be opposed to Obama or his policies, to vigorously dispute the merits of his doing and all that. But just compare what he tweeted and what Trump tweets. Obamas words have been nothing but noble, uplifting and spirited. He believed in the country and the people and in the greatness of America (or at least pretends). He deserves better than this character assassination that takes place here. But I get why the opposition can't see it that way, so I drop that. Just wanted to say it once.
And overall:
Is decency no longer what people want?
I spent half an hour on the FOX comment section now and lost some faith in humankind. The "left" is the enemy, Hillary should be hanged, Obama should be in prison, Michelle is a ***** and whatnot. These are not singulary instances, it's a common tone. And yeah, say all you want about that's just how people behave. It's also what Trump (and Breitbart and some other minds behind all that) ignites. General tone, the alt-right wants to bring out the worst in people (it's the same pattern here). And it works, in the end probably on both sides. (Because yeah I know, Trump wants to whatever his daughter isn't noble, too.)
Discuss (if you please), I only want to listen.
So now a new high, or low, is reached yet again, when Trump blamed Obama for wiretapping him and called him a "sick guy". Please share your thoughts on that one. Especially - what should be the consequence if these accusations are indeed baseless and Obama did not order such a thing.
I give mine and then I shut up again. First, even if Trump was surveilled, that doesn't mean in any way that his claims were right, or correct, or however this is turned. He blamed Obama directly. If Obama wasn't directly involved, Trump lied. No nuance to defend his tweets there. Either Obama illegally ordered a wire tap, or Trump is an arsonist that has no intention of uniting the country.
Second, and this is a very personal stance, it is a bit heartbreaking. It's totally fine with me to be opposed to Obama or his policies, to vigorously dispute the merits of his doing and all that. But just compare what he tweeted and what Trump tweets. Obamas words have been nothing but noble, uplifting and spirited. He believed in the country and the people and in the greatness of America (or at least pretends). He deserves better than this character assassination that takes place here. But I get why the opposition can't see it that way, so I drop that. Just wanted to say it once.
And overall:
Is decency no longer what people want?
I spent half an hour on the FOX comment section now and lost some faith in humankind. The "left" is the enemy, Hillary should be hanged, Obama should be in prison, Michelle is a ***** and whatnot. These are not singulary instances, it's a common tone. And yeah, say all you want about that's just how people behave. It's also what Trump (and Breitbart and some other minds behind all that) ignites. General tone, the alt-right wants to bring out the worst in people (it's the same pattern here). And it works, in the end probably on both sides. (Because yeah I know, Trump wants to whatever his daughter isn't noble, too.)
Discuss (if you please), I only want to listen.
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