Decency, Trump and Obama.

[hollodero]

(03-07-2017, 11:33 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Lots to reply to here but let's see:

Yeah, sorry bout that. I tried to keep it an easy, fluent read.

(03-07-2017, 11:33 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Just as you; there are numerous folks I would have preferred win the Presidency over Trump, but the facts out that is not how out Nation voted. 

He has been President for less than 2 months and he is a Political outsider. Not being Politically correct is not grounds for impeachment less than 60 days on the job.

While this is true - and I also fully understand that the vote is to be respected -, I think some things go beyond political correctness. Accusing the former president of a major crime (some claimed a crime deserving corporal punishment even, and it's not even that unreasonable) without any evidence is more than just "not being PC". Or claiming 3 millions voted illegally, all those baseless, proofless claims. These things are dangerous, shake basic trust, they are not just blunders, but agitation. But these things were discussed so often, I could make a long list with your own points quite on top, but I won't; for you catch my drift. I guess at this time this remains a case of agreeing to disagree.

(03-07-2017, 11:33 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Folks started crying impeachment about his first week in office and haven't stopped yet. Where do you escalate to from there; execution?

Yeah, here I make my basic point in this response. It doesn't matter at all what folks cried. Irrelevant to the matter at hand, doesn't play any role.
And I don't intend to escalate from there. Impeachment sounds fine to me.

(03-07-2017, 11:33 PM)bfine32 Wrote: The folders are a perfect example of folks losing focus on what really matters; as I have repeatedly said he must separate himself from his private business while serving as a public servant and IF there is ever proof (we may have to give it a little more that about 45 days) that he engaged in conflict of interest after being advised THEN we can talk impeachment.

Alright then. Maybe there isn't "proof" yet, maybe just signs. I mentioned them and I think they need to be examined very closely. As one possible valid reason for impeachment; and I really try to use that rhetoric as open, unbiased and objective as possible.
(And although mentioned, his sons run his business which is extremely shady - and he certainly didn't cut at least emotional ties to his daughter's business. That Nordstrom thing alone - in my view - already would put impeachment on the table. It only gets lost in all the other fuss.)

(03-07-2017, 11:33 PM)bfine32 Wrote: You know we have jumped the shark when about 6 weeks into a Presidency someone is having to defend their stance as advocating for censure as being too lenient. 

Yeah well... question is who jumped said shark. These are extraordinary circumstances. But I can acknowledge and respect your call for a censure. This would be a serious measurement for sure.

Respectful greetings & good night.