Decency, Trump and Obama.

[Dill]

(03-21-2017, 06:34 AM)hollodero Wrote:  But the controversy should be fought with facts.

Regarding the media, your landscape is complicated, and FOX is a propaganda outlet which is hard to oppose. But it's more complex. It was equally ridiculous when your MSM praised Trump's Congress speech. As if now finally he got normal, phew, everything's fine and forgotten now. That was hard to watch. What Rachel Maddow (who obviously is great, but I don't know her and don't care) did and how she did it was stupid, too.

Btw. I'm not so sure about FOX and whether they of all people are the conservatives that need to come around. After all, there are still journalists at work, and their reporting turns into a loyalty test. I don't know it the willingness to show loyalty stretches into eternity. There are signs of opposition.
Maybe FOX needs to save America.

I am rather agnostic about fighting the controversy with "facts," though I frequently do so in this forum.  If you have been following some of the threads, you can see facts, evidence, even logical consistency no longer have the currency they once did. A new media audience has developed to generate alternative facts and their media have raised false equivalence to an art form. The result is a mish mash of hyper-aggressive magical thinking, projection, and scapegoating. I don't think much can be done about this by way of traditional debate in the public sphere.  One positive about the Trump presidency is that he is undermining it himself in a way that makes it hard to blame "liberals" and the MSM, and he is calling Fox and Breitbart into question precisely by taking them seriously.

LOL yes, ridiculous praise for a speech written by others, which only worked to the degree Trump did not ad lib. The bar is so low now. The only people who REALLY gushed were right wing pundits like Hugh Hewitt and the Fox crew. I think the rest were trying to be "fair." They needed something on record about Trump that was not a criticism to show they are balanced.

Maddow promised too much when she said she had Trump's taxes--implying she had the recent ones. But over all, she is one of our best journalists. She always sets up issues with thorough backstory of the sort we don't usually get from journalists today.

Finally, I do not expect Fox to "come around," though I do think in the coming year that more of them will distance themselves from Trump. Van Sustern and Kelly have jumped ship.  George Will directly opposed Trump from the get go as a vulgarian and not a traditional conservative. Then after Trump complained he was fired. That sent a message. There is definitely confusion, though, and consternation as Trump continues to insist Obama wire-tapped him.