It's Draft Time: Impeachment Edition

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(05-11-2017, 02:25 AM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: I beg to differ, sir.

Oh no, why wouldn't you simply change your mind completely because some austrian arse says something? I'm so disappointed.

(05-11-2017, 02:25 AM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: Democrats have been accusing Comey of costing Hillary the election since 11/09/17 and have been howling for his blood.  You don't get to throw it in reverse for thirst now simply because Trump fired him.

If he did it at the begin, no one would have. The "simply" part is not so much about him getting fired, it's about him getting fired right after the Russia investigation obvioulsy picked up pace.

(05-11-2017, 02:25 AM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: Let me ask you this, if there is a real Russian connection, actual solid proof that Trump colluded with Russia to steal the US presidency, do you really think firing Comey, now, prevents that from ultimate discovery? I would argue that to believe this is the height of naivete.

I don't know... my guess would be, neither does Trump. He's surprisingly ignorant. It's not what I believe, in this case it's what he might believe.

(05-11-2017, 02:25 AM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: The Trump campaign has been under investigation for its alleged ties to Russia since long before election day, no solid proof has yet to be provided.  Is your assertion really that Comey's removal is the linchpin in assuring that such evidence is never procured?

It really is. Being more precise, it's the line of thinking I can see behind the firing. It's the only thing making sense. All the White House explanation don't do that.

(05-11-2017, 02:25 AM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: In summation, it is absolutely a fair assessment.  Yesterday's howl for the scaffold has turned into today's cries for martyrdom.  You make the accusation of intellectual dishonesty, allow me to suggest that you have succumbed to the same malady of which you accuse others.

You can suggest what you want, it's just that I laid out my line of thinking (you didn't, you just defended and blamed) and they are not fueled by partisanship, but by reason that seems solid to me. So you can't really call me intellectually dishonest, you'd have to call me stupid. Fair enough, but just to keep the terminology straight. Big difference.

As for Russia, nope no solid proof yet, but solid evidence about contacts, about Flynn not being properly vetted (or Russia/Turkey ties simply weren't cause for worry, which seems more likely), lying attorney generals, foreign agents, Carter Page and Paul Manafort, the FBI investigation. Warnings from FBI, CIA, NSA leaders - they're all partisan hacks to you? Nope there is so much there that a thorough investigation is more than justified. If you disagree with that, I accuse you in return of simply not caring about it. Then Trump were right, if he started shooting people on open street you'd just go "Hillary killed Americans in Benghazi, now Democrats are fake outraged about killing". You wouldn't care if he committed crimes, violated ethics and whatnot, you would be all for sweeping it under the rug, for it's Trump! A non-democrat! That's all that seems to matter to you. You go party over country here. J'accuse!

Let me ask you one question in return. Why do you even care about Democrats in the first place. Without asking the far more important question - why Trumps sudden change of heart? At exactly this time? Because here's what's open to see. An intensifying investigation, an FBI director asking for new ressources. And a president and investigation target who in response - fires him. And people like you cheering and applauding him for that. I ask imploringly: Can't you see how flat-out bizarre that cheering looks from the outside? That you're not the least troubled? Not the least curious what's behind that gathering of strangehoods?