05-11-2017, 10:55 AM
(05-11-2017, 07:17 AM)xxlt Wrote: Trump did it - of course it is the height of naivete! Have you not paid attention at all? He doesn't understand the Constitution, domestic policy, foreign policy, media relations, negotiations... he understands one thing - his prime directive, which is to do anything and everything he can to get himself more money - that's it!
In my very first post in this thread I took great pains to point out that I was not commenting on the merits of the Comey firing, merely pointing out the Dems insanely hypocritical reaction to it.
(05-11-2017, 08:42 AM)hollodero Wrote: Oh no, why wouldn't you simply change your mind completely because some austrian arse says something? I'm so disappointed.
Not quite sure why you felt the need for such sarcasm, but ok.
Quote:If he did it at the begin, no one would have. The "simply" part is not so much about him getting fired, it's about him getting fired right after the Russia investigation obvioulsy picked up pace.
Do you really believe this? I certainly don't, you'd hear the exact same arguments being made then that you do now, "Trump fired Comey to cover up Russia collusion!"
Quote:I don't know... my guess would be, neither does Trump. He's surprisingly ignorant. It's not what I believe, in this case it's what he might believe.
So you admit your position on this issue is based on 100% speculation of what you believe to be in Trump's head. This is an odd admission given your claim later in this post.
Quote:It really is. Being more precise, it's the line of thinking I can see behind the firing. It's the only thing making sense. All the White House explanation don't do that.
I'll ask more directly, how will Comey's firing prohibit the investigation into the Trump campaigns alleged Russian ties? An investigation that has been ongoing for around a year.
Quote:You can suggest what you want, it's just that I laid out my line of thinking (you didn't, you just defended and blamed) and they are not fueled by partisanship, but by reason that seems solid to me. So you can't really call me intellectually dishonest, you'd have to call me stupid. Fair enough, but just to keep the terminology straight. Big difference.
Above, in this very post, you admitted that this is all speculation on your part. That's fine and fair enough. However, it doesn't exactly jive with your insult that all I am doing is blaming and deflecting. I didn't call you stupid, I didn't even imply it. Intellectual dishonesty is not synonymous with stupidity. I am giving my opinion on the subject, the same as you. I feel the reaction is hypocritical and hysterical. You feel differently. We have both explained our positions.
Quote:As for Russia, nope no solid proof yet, but solid evidence about contacts, about Flynn not being properly vetted (or Russia/Turkey ties simply weren't cause for worry, which seems more likely), lying attorney generals, foreign agents, Carter Page and Paul Manafort, the FBI investigation. Warnings from FBI, CIA, NSA leaders - they're all partisan hacks to you? Nope there is so much there that a thorough investigation is more than justified. If you disagree with that, I accuse you in return of simply not caring about it. Then Trump were right, if he started shooting people on open street you'd just go "Hillary killed Americans in Benghazi, now Democrats are fake outraged about killing". You wouldn't care if he committed crimes, violated ethics and whatnot, you would be all for sweeping it under the rug, for it's Trump! A non-democrat! That's all that seems to matter to you. You go party over country here. J'accuse!
Calm down, you're sounding very American here. I'm not anti-Democrat anymore than I am pro-Republican. What I am is anti hypocrisy and hysteria, which I pointed out abounds on both sides of the aisle in today's political climate. There is a disturbing trend on this board to label any point made about this as being unabashedly pro-Trump. I suppose the, "you're either with us or against us" line is now ok. It certainly wasn't when W uttered it. I'll reiterate my point on the above, the Russia investigation will continue despite Comey's firing. If there is evidence of collusion do you really think the Dems will rest until they find it?
Quote:Let me ask you one question in return. Why do you even care about Democrats in the first place.
That's an easy one. The tone of political discourse in my country makes me want to vomit. Both sides are ramping up the rhetoric and show no signs of letting up. I mention the Dems in this thread because they are the ones engaging in it the most heavily, likely because they are the minority party. You tend to care less about government excess when you're the one pulling the strings.
Quote:Without asking the far more important question - why Trumps sudden change of heart? At exactly this time? Because here's what's open to see. An intensifying investigation, an FBI director asking for new ressources.
I don't know any more than you do. The guy is mercurial and prone to rash decision making.
Quote:And a president and investigation target who in response - fires him. And people like you cheering and applauding him for that.
Here's the intellectual dishonesty again (note I did not call you stupid). In no way shape or form did I cheer the firing. In fact, I took great pains to point out I wasn't commenting on the merits of the firing at all in this thread. Yet, despite it being so plainly stated you somehow formed this, utterly erroneous, opinion. You're either with us or you're with the terrorists amirite?
Quote:I ask imploringly: Can't you see how flat-out bizarre that cheering looks from the outside? That you're not the least troubled? Not the least curious what's behind that gathering of strangehoods?
What I find bizarre is that you heard any cheering at all in my posts. Seriously, it saddens me. Remember to toe the party line kids. Any statements not fully steeped in ideological purity will be considered pro-Trump! I will consider myself warned.
