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It's Draft Time: Impeachment Edition
(05-11-2017, 04:51 PM)GMDino Wrote: Mellow

Still sticking with that line, eh?

Ms Yates said the White House not only did not consult with her office about the order, but did not tell her it was coming either, adding that she found out about it from the media.

That's clear. Yates was fired for doing her job, one part of which is to inform the president when pending actions might be unconstitutional. She was asked in her confirmation hearing whether she would be able to stand up to the president in defense of the constitution. She promised she would and did. Bharara was told he could stay on, then fired.

It isn't just the fact of the firings, it's the clumsy fashion in which they breach protocol and follow some angry episode in which Trump believes a normal check on presidential power to be personal defiance.

Hollo made an excellent point--the Democrats are not the ones making all these unforced errors.

To which I would add that attacking Democrats for "partisanship" etc in this matter simply makes no sense if one takes seriously

1) the claim Russia interfered with the US election and

2) the fact that Trump has denied the claim and used his presidential power to interfere with the investigation.

No logical inference from 1 and 2 gets you to an attack on Democrats for recognizing a mounting security risk and constitutional crisis.  That would require some serious partisan blinders and a will to find fault somehow.

I do agree though, that if you truly follow Rush and Hannity, If you dismiss 1 and 2, then the Democratic response is all hyperbole and hysteria.   Democrat behavior will then loom large on your political landscape as a politically motivated hysteria disconnected from any real, motivating security threat compounded by an unstable, incompetent commander in chief. The lost election drives "hypocrtical" criticism of the Comey firing, not real threats to national security and presidential overreach. That is a logical conclusion, if one accepts the premises. And Dem behavior will be the logical target of your critical commentary. Mitch McConnell, Rush and other party leaders are in lock step here.

The defense of the Comey firing also follows a recognizable pattern. Alternative facts and hypotheses appear and suddenly there could be any number of reasons why Trump fired Comey unrelated to the Russia investigation. Suddenly all conclusions are equally speculation and opinion.

PS as I was typing this, Trump tweeted CNN to the effect the Russians must be laughing at the Democrats for getting so exercised over their loss.
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