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Holy ********* Crazy
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(05-31-2017, 05:42 PM)michaelsean Wrote: I understand exactly what you are saying, and I am saying that if you are  in this small minority that absolutely nobody even running represents, then maybe your point of view is out of whack.  I don't really care if socialists and fascists don't have a candidate they feel comfortable voting for.  I have an uncle in NY who is a flat out socialist, but he's also a pretty smart guy and understands that's not reality.  

I'm in no more of a minority than most people. Most people's views aren't being represented by the people running for office, they just vote party lines without realizing that what they are voting for doesn't really jive with their views. What I am in favor of isn't socialism. On the global scale it is a center-left ideology and one that FDR espoused. So it's far from unrealistic.

(05-31-2017, 05:42 PM)michaelsean Wrote: It needs updating if the people think  it needs updating.  If the people in general are fine with it now, then that's what we have decided our system should be.  Because you or I or someone else thinks it's broken doesn't make it so.  It's only broken if the people no longer want it.  If it serves the people they way they want it to serve them, then it's working.

Most people don't even know these things. How many people can tell you our population has tripled in a century and that the number of representatives has remained the same? How many people can actually tell you how the POTUS was originally elected and the original purpose of the Electoral College? How many people don't realize they really aren't party members and that our political parties aren't int he business of policy? It's not that people don't think it's broken, it's that they don't care enough to look up and see what's in front of their face.
"A great democracy has got to be progressive, or it will soon cease to be either great or a democracy..." - TR

"The test of our progress is not whether we add more to the abundance of those who have much; it is whether we provide enough for those who have too little." - FDR





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Holy ********* Crazy - TheLeonardLeap - 05-30-2017, 10:18 PM
RE: Holy Shitballs Crazy - 6andcounting - 05-30-2017, 10:24 PM
RE: Holy Shitballs Crazy - SunsetBengal - 05-30-2017, 10:46 PM
RE: Holy Shitballs Crazy - GMDino - 05-30-2017, 10:48 PM
RE: Holy Shitballs Crazy - SunsetBengal - 05-30-2017, 10:50 PM
RE: Holy Shitballs Crazy - GMDino - 05-30-2017, 11:00 PM
RE: Holy Shitballs Crazy - SunsetBengal - 05-30-2017, 11:13 PM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - Dill - 05-31-2017, 01:55 PM
RE: Holy Shitballs Crazy - Griever - 05-31-2017, 10:05 AM
RE: Holy Shitballs Crazy - SunsetBengal - 05-31-2017, 10:07 AM
RE: Holy Shitballs Crazy - GMDino - 05-31-2017, 10:08 AM
RE: Holy Shitballs Crazy - SunsetBengal - 05-31-2017, 10:10 AM
RE: Holy Shitballs Crazy - Griever - 05-31-2017, 10:12 AM
RE: Holy Shitballs Crazy - xxlt - 05-31-2017, 10:46 AM
RE: Holy Shitballs Crazy - BmorePat87 - 05-31-2017, 09:20 AM
RE: Holy Shitballs Crazy - GMDino - 05-30-2017, 10:47 PM
RE: Holy Shitballs Crazy - GMDino - 05-30-2017, 11:13 PM
RE: Holy Shitballs Crazy - TheLeonardLeap - 05-30-2017, 11:19 PM
RE: Holy Shitballs Crazy - GMDino - 05-30-2017, 11:26 PM
RE: Holy Shitballs Crazy - SunsetBengal - 05-30-2017, 11:37 PM
RE: Holy Shitballs Crazy - GMDino - 05-30-2017, 11:41 PM
RE: Holy Shitballs Crazy - Vlad - 05-31-2017, 01:23 AM
RE: Holy Shitballs Crazy - GMDino - 05-31-2017, 06:56 AM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - Vlad - 05-31-2017, 12:48 PM
RE: Holy Shitballs Crazy - xxlt - 05-31-2017, 10:58 AM
RE: Holy Shitballs Crazy - SunsetBengal - 05-31-2017, 10:59 AM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - Vlad - 05-31-2017, 11:34 AM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - Dill - 05-31-2017, 02:40 PM
RE: Holy Shitballs Crazy - Benton - 05-30-2017, 11:34 PM
RE: Holy Shitballs Crazy - GMDino - 05-30-2017, 11:36 PM
RE: Holy Shitballs Crazy - xxlt - 05-31-2017, 10:54 AM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - TheLeonardLeap - 05-31-2017, 02:04 PM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - michaelsean - 05-31-2017, 02:21 PM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - Dill - 05-31-2017, 02:30 PM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - TheLeonardLeap - 05-31-2017, 03:10 PM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - Dill - 05-31-2017, 05:48 PM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - xxlt - 06-01-2017, 07:21 AM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - Rotobeast - 05-31-2017, 03:34 PM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - xxlt - 06-01-2017, 07:37 AM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - xxlt - 06-01-2017, 01:14 PM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - BmorePat87 - 06-01-2017, 02:04 PM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - Benton - 06-01-2017, 02:14 PM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - xxlt - 06-02-2017, 08:30 AM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - Rotobeast - 06-02-2017, 11:26 PM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - xxlt - 06-03-2017, 08:59 AM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - Rotobeast - 06-05-2017, 12:52 AM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - Aquapod770 - 06-05-2017, 04:13 PM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - xxlt - 06-06-2017, 06:40 AM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - Dill - 06-01-2017, 05:17 PM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - xxlt - 06-02-2017, 08:41 AM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - jason - 06-02-2017, 11:07 PM
RE: Holy Shitballs Crazy - xxlt - 05-31-2017, 10:42 AM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - Vlad - 06-01-2017, 08:55 AM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - GMDino - 06-01-2017, 09:09 AM
RE: Holy Shitballs Crazy - HarleyDog - 05-30-2017, 11:03 PM
RE: Holy Shitballs Crazy - Millhouse - 05-30-2017, 11:11 PM
RE: Holy Shitballs Crazy - GMDino - 05-30-2017, 11:14 PM
RE: Holy Shitballs Crazy - xxlt - 05-31-2017, 10:51 AM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - Millhouse - 05-31-2017, 04:37 PM
RE: Holy Shitballs Crazy - Belsnickel - 05-31-2017, 09:08 AM
RE: Holy Shitballs Crazy - GMDino - 05-31-2017, 09:38 AM
RE: Holy Shitballs Crazy - xxlt - 05-31-2017, 11:00 AM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - Vlad - 05-31-2017, 11:47 AM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - Dill - 05-31-2017, 02:07 PM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - michaelsean - 05-31-2017, 01:54 PM
RE: Holy Shitballs Crazy - BmorePat87 - 05-31-2017, 09:16 AM
RE: Holy Shitballs Crazy - Bengalzona - 05-31-2017, 09:36 AM
RE: Holy Shitballs Crazy - BmorePat87 - 05-31-2017, 09:37 AM
RE: Holy Shitballs Crazy - michaelsean - 05-31-2017, 09:32 AM
RE: Holy Shitballs Crazy - GMDino - 05-31-2017, 09:35 AM
RE: Holy Shitballs Crazy - Bengalzona - 05-31-2017, 09:52 AM
RE: Holy Shitballs Crazy - GMDino - 05-31-2017, 09:59 AM
RE: Holy Shitballs Crazy - Bengalzona - 05-31-2017, 10:57 AM
RE: Holy Shitballs Crazy - Griever - 05-31-2017, 10:13 AM
RE: Holy Shitballs Crazy - xxlt - 05-31-2017, 11:08 AM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - Vlad - 05-31-2017, 12:05 PM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - Matt_Crimson - 05-31-2017, 12:08 PM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - GMDino - 05-31-2017, 12:17 PM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - Matt_Crimson - 05-31-2017, 02:01 PM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - GMDino - 05-31-2017, 02:22 PM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - Matt_Crimson - 05-31-2017, 04:26 PM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - GMDino - 05-31-2017, 04:30 PM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - Matt_Crimson - 05-31-2017, 08:56 PM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - GMDino - 05-31-2017, 09:03 PM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - Matt_Crimson - 05-31-2017, 09:29 PM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - GMDino - 05-31-2017, 09:39 PM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - Matt_Crimson - 05-31-2017, 09:45 PM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - GMDino - 05-31-2017, 10:07 PM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - Matt_Crimson - 05-31-2017, 11:42 PM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - Vlad - 05-31-2017, 11:24 PM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - SunsetBengal - 05-31-2017, 11:07 PM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - NATI BENGALS - 06-01-2017, 12:35 AM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - Vas Deferens - 06-01-2017, 01:30 AM
RE: Holy Shitballs Crazy - BmorePat87 - 05-31-2017, 10:21 AM
RE: Holy Shitballs Crazy - michaelsean - 05-31-2017, 10:26 AM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - BmorePat87 - 06-01-2017, 07:51 AM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - michaelsean - 06-01-2017, 10:25 AM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - BmorePat87 - 06-01-2017, 11:30 AM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - SunsetBengal - 06-01-2017, 12:08 PM
RE: Holy Shitballs Crazy - michaelsean - 05-31-2017, 10:23 AM
RE: Holy Shitballs Crazy - BmorePat87 - 05-31-2017, 10:27 AM
RE: Holy Shitballs Crazy - Vlad - 05-31-2017, 11:26 AM
RE: Holy Shitballs Crazy - Belsnickel - 05-31-2017, 10:28 AM
RE: Holy Shitballs Crazy - michaelsean - 05-31-2017, 10:30 AM
RE: Holy Shitballs Crazy - xxlt - 05-31-2017, 11:05 AM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - Vlad - 05-31-2017, 12:13 PM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - Belsnickel - 05-31-2017, 11:53 AM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - xxlt - 05-31-2017, 01:37 PM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - Vlad - 05-31-2017, 12:52 PM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - GMDino - 05-31-2017, 01:13 PM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - Dill - 05-31-2017, 02:15 PM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - Belsnickel - 05-31-2017, 01:07 PM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - Belsnickel - 05-31-2017, 03:36 PM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - michaelsean - 05-31-2017, 04:46 PM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - Dill - 05-31-2017, 07:20 PM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - michaelsean - 06-01-2017, 04:23 PM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - Rotobeast - 05-31-2017, 03:41 PM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - Belsnickel - 05-31-2017, 03:46 PM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - Dill - 05-31-2017, 06:10 PM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - Rotobeast - 05-31-2017, 03:55 PM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - Belsnickel - 05-31-2017, 04:39 PM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - Belsnickel - 05-31-2017, 05:16 PM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - michaelsean - 05-31-2017, 05:42 PM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - Belsnickel - 05-31-2017, 05:54 PM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - michaelsean - 06-01-2017, 11:08 AM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - Dill - 05-31-2017, 06:45 PM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - Nebuchadnezzar - 05-31-2017, 09:21 PM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - GMDino - 05-31-2017, 09:25 PM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - Nebuchadnezzar - 05-31-2017, 10:21 PM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - GMDino - 05-31-2017, 10:28 PM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - Vlad - 05-31-2017, 10:29 PM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - Benton - 05-31-2017, 10:58 PM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - Benton - 05-31-2017, 09:44 PM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - NATI BENGALS - 05-31-2017, 09:45 PM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - Belsnickel - 05-31-2017, 10:20 PM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - Belsnickel - 06-01-2017, 07:43 AM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - xxlt - 06-01-2017, 12:34 PM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - Rotobeast - 06-01-2017, 08:43 AM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - xxlt - 06-01-2017, 12:48 PM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - Vas Deferens - 06-01-2017, 10:12 AM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - Belsnickel - 06-01-2017, 11:13 AM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - michaelsean - 06-01-2017, 11:36 AM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - xxlt - 06-01-2017, 12:55 PM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - Belsnickel - 06-01-2017, 11:40 AM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - michaelsean - 06-01-2017, 11:50 AM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - Belsnickel - 06-01-2017, 11:54 AM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - GMDino - 06-01-2017, 12:00 PM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - xxlt - 06-01-2017, 12:59 PM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - CageTheBengal - 06-01-2017, 12:07 PM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - michaelsean - 06-01-2017, 01:31 PM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - CageTheBengal - 06-01-2017, 02:19 PM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - michaelsean - 06-01-2017, 02:24 PM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - CageTheBengal - 06-01-2017, 02:28 PM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - michaelsean - 06-01-2017, 02:49 PM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - CageTheBengal - 06-01-2017, 02:37 PM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - michaelsean - 06-01-2017, 02:48 PM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - CageTheBengal - 06-01-2017, 03:21 PM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - michaelsean - 06-01-2017, 03:35 PM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - Belsnickel - 06-01-2017, 12:07 PM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - Belsnickel - 06-01-2017, 02:13 PM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - Dill - 06-01-2017, 05:29 PM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - xxlt - 06-02-2017, 08:50 AM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - BmorePat87 - 06-02-2017, 09:37 AM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - xxlt - 06-02-2017, 11:50 AM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - BmorePat87 - 06-02-2017, 02:18 PM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - xxlt - 06-03-2017, 08:53 AM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - BmorePat87 - 06-03-2017, 09:41 AM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - Dill - 06-01-2017, 05:41 PM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - xxlt - 06-02-2017, 08:35 AM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - michaelsean - 06-01-2017, 03:38 PM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - Belsnickel - 06-01-2017, 05:56 PM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - Nebuchadnezzar - 06-01-2017, 06:57 PM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - ballsofsteel - 06-02-2017, 05:08 PM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - SunsetBengal - 06-02-2017, 07:11 PM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - Belsnickel - 06-02-2017, 08:59 PM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - GMDino - 06-04-2017, 09:49 AM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - GMDino - 06-04-2017, 12:30 PM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - Belsnickel - 06-05-2017, 01:49 PM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - Bengalzona - 06-06-2017, 12:46 PM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - GMDino - 06-06-2017, 12:51 PM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - michaelsean - 06-06-2017, 01:23 PM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - BengalHawk62 - 06-06-2017, 01:23 PM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - GMDino - 06-06-2017, 01:30 PM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - BengalHawk62 - 06-06-2017, 01:48 PM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - Bengalzona - 06-06-2017, 05:47 PM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - Bengalzona - 06-06-2017, 05:59 PM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - Benton - 06-07-2017, 05:44 PM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - michaelsean - 06-07-2017, 06:13 PM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - Bengalzona - 06-07-2017, 08:59 PM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - Dill - 06-06-2017, 01:44 PM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - Bengalzona - 06-06-2017, 05:56 PM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - Belsnickel - 06-06-2017, 01:50 PM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - Rotobeast - 06-06-2017, 08:03 PM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - NATI BENGALS - 06-06-2017, 08:12 PM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - Rotobeast - 06-07-2017, 02:03 AM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - GMDino - 06-07-2017, 12:39 PM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - TheLeonardLeap - 06-12-2017, 04:34 PM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - Dill - 06-13-2017, 03:39 AM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - TheLeonardLeap - 06-13-2017, 05:51 PM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - Dill - 06-13-2017, 09:49 PM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - GMDino - 06-13-2017, 11:36 AM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - xxlt - 06-13-2017, 11:47 AM
RE: Trump stabbed to death - Rotobeast - 06-13-2017, 07:51 PM
Kathy Griffin - Sociopathicsteelerfan - 06-03-2017, 11:41 AM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - BmorePat87 - 06-04-2017, 12:28 PM
RE: Kathy Griffin - Millhouse - 06-03-2017, 11:49 AM
RE: Kathy Griffin - Sociopathicsteelerfan - 06-03-2017, 12:16 PM
RE: Kathy Griffin - ballsofsteel - 06-03-2017, 03:13 PM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - Bengalzona - 06-03-2017, 04:41 PM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - michaelsean - 06-05-2017, 02:42 PM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - michaelsean - 06-06-2017, 11:43 AM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - GMDino - 06-05-2017, 08:00 PM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - michaelsean - 06-06-2017, 11:40 AM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - GMDino - 06-06-2017, 11:44 AM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - michaelsean - 06-06-2017, 11:47 AM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - GMDino - 06-06-2017, 11:56 AM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - michaelsean - 06-06-2017, 11:58 AM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - GMDino - 06-06-2017, 12:02 PM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - michaelsean - 06-06-2017, 12:04 PM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - GMDino - 06-06-2017, 12:10 PM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - Matt_Crimson - 06-06-2017, 01:27 PM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - GMDino - 06-06-2017, 01:42 PM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - Dill - 06-06-2017, 02:11 PM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - BengalHawk62 - 06-06-2017, 03:21 PM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - Dill - 06-06-2017, 03:41 PM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - NATI BENGALS - 06-06-2017, 06:49 PM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - Dill - 06-06-2017, 11:21 PM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - xxlt - 06-09-2017, 07:35 AM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - Matt_Crimson - 06-06-2017, 02:16 PM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - GMDino - 06-06-2017, 02:20 PM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - Dill - 06-06-2017, 03:49 PM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - Dill - 06-06-2017, 09:46 PM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - Dill - 06-06-2017, 11:16 PM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - Dill - 06-07-2017, 03:59 AM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - GMDino - 06-07-2017, 08:58 AM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - Dill - 06-07-2017, 12:03 PM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - Dill - 06-08-2017, 04:33 PM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - Dill - 06-12-2017, 11:21 AM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - michaelsean - 06-12-2017, 11:37 AM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - Dill - 06-12-2017, 12:30 PM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - michaelsean - 06-12-2017, 01:22 PM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - michaelsean - 06-12-2017, 03:30 PM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - michaelsean - 06-12-2017, 05:05 PM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - Dill - 06-13-2017, 12:56 AM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - Dill - 06-13-2017, 01:24 AM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - Dill - 06-13-2017, 12:55 AM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - Dill - 06-13-2017, 11:22 AM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - GMDino - 06-13-2017, 11:28 AM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - Dill - 06-13-2017, 11:04 PM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - Dill - 06-14-2017, 01:49 AM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - Dill - 06-14-2017, 02:07 AM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - Dill - 06-13-2017, 11:08 AM
Trump stabbed to death - Vlad - 06-13-2017, 05:51 PM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - Dill - 06-14-2017, 02:17 AM
RE: Trump stabbed to death - GMDino - 06-13-2017, 05:56 PM

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