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Holy ********* Crazy
(06-01-2017, 02:04 PM)BmorePat87 Wrote: I know you're suggesting linear isn't perfect, and I agree with a cube model with the axises being economics, authority, and social, but who placed libertarianism as being closer to fascism than standard conservatism? Whether economically, authoritatively, or socially, it doesn't make sense. 

Like I said before, I am open to other models people create themselves or pull from sources - so far nobody has shown anything different. Surely they exist, even though i haven't seen them. Or people can create their own, as I was accused of doing.

Clearly the one model submitted does make sense to some.

Over a decade ago I started reading things here: https://www.cato.org/

That's the biggest libertarian think tank in the US, as far as I know. I think I was in a similar place as the one occupied by Rotobeast now, disillusioned with the major US political brands and thinking there has to be another way, and initially I had been impressed by some libertarian talking points. Who doesn't like freedom, after all? Who doesn't like liberty? But the deeper I got into their ideology, I was like, hmmm, this sounds a lot like fascism, and I pulled back from it. I wasn't the only person to make the observation. Full disclosure - I don't know what sort of rhetoric they are putting out now - so maybe they have moderated.

All I can tell you is my assessment, and that of many others, was consistent. Again, anyone, show me other models - or build your own. I'll look at them, I may even say they are better.
JOHN ROBERTS: From time to time in the years to come, I hope you will be treated unfairly so that you will come to know the value of justice... I wish you bad luck, again, from time to time so that you will be conscious of the role of chance in life and understand that your success is not completely deserved and that the failure of others is not completely deserved either.





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Holy ********* Crazy - TheLeonardLeap - 05-30-2017, 10:18 PM
RE: Holy Shitballs Crazy - 6andcounting - 05-30-2017, 10:24 PM
RE: Holy Shitballs Crazy - SunsetBengal - 05-30-2017, 10:46 PM
RE: Holy Shitballs Crazy - GMDino - 05-30-2017, 10:48 PM
RE: Holy Shitballs Crazy - SunsetBengal - 05-30-2017, 10:50 PM
RE: Holy Shitballs Crazy - GMDino - 05-30-2017, 11:00 PM
RE: Holy Shitballs Crazy - SunsetBengal - 05-30-2017, 11:13 PM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - Dill - 05-31-2017, 01:55 PM
RE: Holy Shitballs Crazy - Griever - 05-31-2017, 10:05 AM
RE: Holy Shitballs Crazy - SunsetBengal - 05-31-2017, 10:07 AM
RE: Holy Shitballs Crazy - GMDino - 05-31-2017, 10:08 AM
RE: Holy Shitballs Crazy - SunsetBengal - 05-31-2017, 10:10 AM
RE: Holy Shitballs Crazy - Griever - 05-31-2017, 10:12 AM
RE: Holy Shitballs Crazy - xxlt - 05-31-2017, 10:46 AM
RE: Holy Shitballs Crazy - BmorePat87 - 05-31-2017, 09:20 AM
RE: Holy Shitballs Crazy - GMDino - 05-30-2017, 10:47 PM
RE: Holy Shitballs Crazy - GMDino - 05-30-2017, 11:13 PM
RE: Holy Shitballs Crazy - TheLeonardLeap - 05-30-2017, 11:19 PM
RE: Holy Shitballs Crazy - GMDino - 05-30-2017, 11:26 PM
RE: Holy Shitballs Crazy - SunsetBengal - 05-30-2017, 11:37 PM
RE: Holy Shitballs Crazy - GMDino - 05-30-2017, 11:41 PM
RE: Holy Shitballs Crazy - Vlad - 05-31-2017, 01:23 AM
RE: Holy Shitballs Crazy - GMDino - 05-31-2017, 06:56 AM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - Vlad - 05-31-2017, 12:48 PM
RE: Holy Shitballs Crazy - xxlt - 05-31-2017, 10:58 AM
RE: Holy Shitballs Crazy - SunsetBengal - 05-31-2017, 10:59 AM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - Vlad - 05-31-2017, 11:34 AM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - Dill - 05-31-2017, 02:40 PM
RE: Holy Shitballs Crazy - Benton - 05-30-2017, 11:34 PM
RE: Holy Shitballs Crazy - GMDino - 05-30-2017, 11:36 PM
RE: Holy Shitballs Crazy - xxlt - 05-31-2017, 10:54 AM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - TheLeonardLeap - 05-31-2017, 02:04 PM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - michaelsean - 05-31-2017, 02:21 PM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - Dill - 05-31-2017, 02:30 PM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - TheLeonardLeap - 05-31-2017, 03:10 PM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - Dill - 05-31-2017, 05:48 PM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - xxlt - 06-01-2017, 07:21 AM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - Rotobeast - 05-31-2017, 03:34 PM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - xxlt - 06-01-2017, 07:37 AM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - xxlt - 06-01-2017, 01:14 PM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - BmorePat87 - 06-01-2017, 02:04 PM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - Benton - 06-01-2017, 02:14 PM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - xxlt - 06-02-2017, 08:30 AM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - Rotobeast - 06-02-2017, 11:26 PM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - xxlt - 06-03-2017, 08:59 AM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - Rotobeast - 06-05-2017, 12:52 AM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - Aquapod770 - 06-05-2017, 04:13 PM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - xxlt - 06-06-2017, 06:40 AM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - Dill - 06-01-2017, 05:17 PM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - xxlt - 06-02-2017, 08:41 AM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - jason - 06-02-2017, 11:07 PM
RE: Holy Shitballs Crazy - xxlt - 05-31-2017, 10:42 AM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - Vlad - 06-01-2017, 08:55 AM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - GMDino - 06-01-2017, 09:09 AM
RE: Holy Shitballs Crazy - HarleyDog - 05-30-2017, 11:03 PM
RE: Holy Shitballs Crazy - Millhouse - 05-30-2017, 11:11 PM
RE: Holy Shitballs Crazy - GMDino - 05-30-2017, 11:14 PM
RE: Holy Shitballs Crazy - xxlt - 05-31-2017, 10:51 AM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - Millhouse - 05-31-2017, 04:37 PM
RE: Holy Shitballs Crazy - Belsnickel - 05-31-2017, 09:08 AM
RE: Holy Shitballs Crazy - GMDino - 05-31-2017, 09:38 AM
RE: Holy Shitballs Crazy - xxlt - 05-31-2017, 11:00 AM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - Vlad - 05-31-2017, 11:47 AM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - Dill - 05-31-2017, 02:07 PM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - michaelsean - 05-31-2017, 01:54 PM
RE: Holy Shitballs Crazy - BmorePat87 - 05-31-2017, 09:16 AM
RE: Holy Shitballs Crazy - Bengalzona - 05-31-2017, 09:36 AM
RE: Holy Shitballs Crazy - BmorePat87 - 05-31-2017, 09:37 AM
RE: Holy Shitballs Crazy - michaelsean - 05-31-2017, 09:32 AM
RE: Holy Shitballs Crazy - GMDino - 05-31-2017, 09:35 AM
RE: Holy Shitballs Crazy - Bengalzona - 05-31-2017, 09:52 AM
RE: Holy Shitballs Crazy - GMDino - 05-31-2017, 09:59 AM
RE: Holy Shitballs Crazy - Bengalzona - 05-31-2017, 10:57 AM
RE: Holy Shitballs Crazy - Griever - 05-31-2017, 10:13 AM
RE: Holy Shitballs Crazy - xxlt - 05-31-2017, 11:08 AM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - Vlad - 05-31-2017, 12:05 PM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - Matt_Crimson - 05-31-2017, 12:08 PM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - GMDino - 05-31-2017, 12:17 PM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - Matt_Crimson - 05-31-2017, 02:01 PM
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RE: Holy ********* Crazy - Matt_Crimson - 05-31-2017, 04:26 PM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - GMDino - 05-31-2017, 04:30 PM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - Matt_Crimson - 05-31-2017, 08:56 PM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - GMDino - 05-31-2017, 09:03 PM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - Matt_Crimson - 05-31-2017, 09:29 PM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - GMDino - 05-31-2017, 09:39 PM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - Matt_Crimson - 05-31-2017, 09:45 PM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - GMDino - 05-31-2017, 10:07 PM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - Matt_Crimson - 05-31-2017, 11:42 PM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - Vlad - 05-31-2017, 11:24 PM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - SunsetBengal - 05-31-2017, 11:07 PM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - NATI BENGALS - 06-01-2017, 12:35 AM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - Vas Deferens - 06-01-2017, 01:30 AM
RE: Holy Shitballs Crazy - BmorePat87 - 05-31-2017, 10:21 AM
RE: Holy Shitballs Crazy - michaelsean - 05-31-2017, 10:26 AM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - BmorePat87 - 06-01-2017, 07:51 AM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - michaelsean - 06-01-2017, 10:25 AM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - BmorePat87 - 06-01-2017, 11:30 AM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - SunsetBengal - 06-01-2017, 12:08 PM
RE: Holy Shitballs Crazy - michaelsean - 05-31-2017, 10:23 AM
RE: Holy Shitballs Crazy - BmorePat87 - 05-31-2017, 10:27 AM
RE: Holy Shitballs Crazy - Vlad - 05-31-2017, 11:26 AM
RE: Holy Shitballs Crazy - Belsnickel - 05-31-2017, 10:28 AM
RE: Holy Shitballs Crazy - michaelsean - 05-31-2017, 10:30 AM
RE: Holy Shitballs Crazy - xxlt - 05-31-2017, 11:05 AM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - Vlad - 05-31-2017, 12:13 PM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - Belsnickel - 05-31-2017, 11:53 AM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - xxlt - 05-31-2017, 01:37 PM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - Vlad - 05-31-2017, 12:52 PM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - GMDino - 05-31-2017, 01:13 PM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - Dill - 05-31-2017, 02:15 PM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - Belsnickel - 05-31-2017, 01:07 PM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - Belsnickel - 05-31-2017, 03:36 PM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - michaelsean - 05-31-2017, 04:46 PM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - Dill - 05-31-2017, 07:20 PM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - michaelsean - 06-01-2017, 04:23 PM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - Rotobeast - 05-31-2017, 03:41 PM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - Belsnickel - 05-31-2017, 03:46 PM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - Dill - 05-31-2017, 06:10 PM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - Rotobeast - 05-31-2017, 03:55 PM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - Belsnickel - 05-31-2017, 04:39 PM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - Belsnickel - 05-31-2017, 05:16 PM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - michaelsean - 05-31-2017, 05:42 PM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - Belsnickel - 05-31-2017, 05:54 PM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - michaelsean - 06-01-2017, 11:08 AM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - Dill - 05-31-2017, 06:45 PM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - Nebuchadnezzar - 05-31-2017, 09:21 PM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - GMDino - 05-31-2017, 09:25 PM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - Nebuchadnezzar - 05-31-2017, 10:21 PM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - GMDino - 05-31-2017, 10:28 PM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - Vlad - 05-31-2017, 10:29 PM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - Benton - 05-31-2017, 10:58 PM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - Benton - 05-31-2017, 09:44 PM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - NATI BENGALS - 05-31-2017, 09:45 PM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - Belsnickel - 05-31-2017, 10:20 PM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - Belsnickel - 06-01-2017, 07:43 AM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - xxlt - 06-01-2017, 12:34 PM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - Rotobeast - 06-01-2017, 08:43 AM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - xxlt - 06-01-2017, 12:48 PM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - Vas Deferens - 06-01-2017, 10:12 AM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - Belsnickel - 06-01-2017, 11:13 AM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - michaelsean - 06-01-2017, 11:36 AM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - xxlt - 06-01-2017, 12:55 PM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - Belsnickel - 06-01-2017, 11:40 AM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - michaelsean - 06-01-2017, 11:50 AM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - Belsnickel - 06-01-2017, 11:54 AM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - GMDino - 06-01-2017, 12:00 PM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - xxlt - 06-01-2017, 12:59 PM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - CageTheBengal - 06-01-2017, 12:07 PM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - michaelsean - 06-01-2017, 01:31 PM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - CageTheBengal - 06-01-2017, 02:19 PM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - michaelsean - 06-01-2017, 02:24 PM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - CageTheBengal - 06-01-2017, 02:28 PM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - michaelsean - 06-01-2017, 02:49 PM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - CageTheBengal - 06-01-2017, 02:37 PM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - michaelsean - 06-01-2017, 02:48 PM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - CageTheBengal - 06-01-2017, 03:21 PM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - michaelsean - 06-01-2017, 03:35 PM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - Belsnickel - 06-01-2017, 12:07 PM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - Belsnickel - 06-01-2017, 02:13 PM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - Dill - 06-01-2017, 05:29 PM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - xxlt - 06-02-2017, 08:50 AM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - BmorePat87 - 06-02-2017, 09:37 AM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - xxlt - 06-02-2017, 11:50 AM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - BmorePat87 - 06-02-2017, 02:18 PM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - xxlt - 06-03-2017, 08:53 AM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - BmorePat87 - 06-03-2017, 09:41 AM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - Dill - 06-01-2017, 05:41 PM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - xxlt - 06-02-2017, 08:35 AM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - michaelsean - 06-01-2017, 03:38 PM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - Belsnickel - 06-01-2017, 05:56 PM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - Nebuchadnezzar - 06-01-2017, 06:57 PM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - ballsofsteel - 06-02-2017, 05:08 PM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - SunsetBengal - 06-02-2017, 07:11 PM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - Belsnickel - 06-02-2017, 08:59 PM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - GMDino - 06-04-2017, 09:49 AM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - GMDino - 06-04-2017, 12:30 PM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - Belsnickel - 06-05-2017, 01:49 PM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - Bengalzona - 06-06-2017, 12:46 PM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - GMDino - 06-06-2017, 12:51 PM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - michaelsean - 06-06-2017, 01:23 PM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - BengalHawk62 - 06-06-2017, 01:23 PM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - GMDino - 06-06-2017, 01:30 PM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - BengalHawk62 - 06-06-2017, 01:48 PM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - Bengalzona - 06-06-2017, 05:47 PM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - Bengalzona - 06-06-2017, 05:59 PM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - Benton - 06-07-2017, 05:44 PM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - michaelsean - 06-07-2017, 06:13 PM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - Bengalzona - 06-07-2017, 08:59 PM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - Dill - 06-06-2017, 01:44 PM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - Bengalzona - 06-06-2017, 05:56 PM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - Belsnickel - 06-06-2017, 01:50 PM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - Rotobeast - 06-06-2017, 08:03 PM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - NATI BENGALS - 06-06-2017, 08:12 PM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - Rotobeast - 06-07-2017, 02:03 AM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - GMDino - 06-07-2017, 12:39 PM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - TheLeonardLeap - 06-12-2017, 04:34 PM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - Dill - 06-13-2017, 03:39 AM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - TheLeonardLeap - 06-13-2017, 05:51 PM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - Dill - 06-13-2017, 09:49 PM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - GMDino - 06-13-2017, 11:36 AM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - xxlt - 06-13-2017, 11:47 AM
RE: Trump stabbed to death - Rotobeast - 06-13-2017, 07:51 PM
Kathy Griffin - Sociopathicsteelerfan - 06-03-2017, 11:41 AM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - BmorePat87 - 06-04-2017, 12:28 PM
RE: Kathy Griffin - Millhouse - 06-03-2017, 11:49 AM
RE: Kathy Griffin - Sociopathicsteelerfan - 06-03-2017, 12:16 PM
RE: Kathy Griffin - ballsofsteel - 06-03-2017, 03:13 PM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - Bengalzona - 06-03-2017, 04:41 PM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - michaelsean - 06-05-2017, 02:42 PM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - michaelsean - 06-06-2017, 11:43 AM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - GMDino - 06-05-2017, 08:00 PM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - michaelsean - 06-06-2017, 11:40 AM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - GMDino - 06-06-2017, 11:44 AM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - michaelsean - 06-06-2017, 11:47 AM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - GMDino - 06-06-2017, 11:56 AM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - michaelsean - 06-06-2017, 11:58 AM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - GMDino - 06-06-2017, 12:02 PM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - michaelsean - 06-06-2017, 12:04 PM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - GMDino - 06-06-2017, 12:10 PM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - Matt_Crimson - 06-06-2017, 01:27 PM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - GMDino - 06-06-2017, 01:42 PM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - Dill - 06-06-2017, 02:11 PM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - BengalHawk62 - 06-06-2017, 03:21 PM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - Dill - 06-06-2017, 03:41 PM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - NATI BENGALS - 06-06-2017, 06:49 PM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - Dill - 06-06-2017, 11:21 PM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - xxlt - 06-09-2017, 07:35 AM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - Matt_Crimson - 06-06-2017, 02:16 PM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - GMDino - 06-06-2017, 02:20 PM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - Dill - 06-06-2017, 03:49 PM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - Dill - 06-06-2017, 09:46 PM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - Dill - 06-06-2017, 11:16 PM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - Dill - 06-07-2017, 03:59 AM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - GMDino - 06-07-2017, 08:58 AM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - Dill - 06-07-2017, 12:03 PM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - Dill - 06-08-2017, 04:33 PM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - Dill - 06-12-2017, 11:21 AM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - michaelsean - 06-12-2017, 11:37 AM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - Dill - 06-12-2017, 12:30 PM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - michaelsean - 06-12-2017, 01:22 PM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - michaelsean - 06-12-2017, 03:30 PM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - michaelsean - 06-12-2017, 05:05 PM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - Dill - 06-13-2017, 12:56 AM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - Dill - 06-13-2017, 01:24 AM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - Dill - 06-13-2017, 12:55 AM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - Dill - 06-13-2017, 11:22 AM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - GMDino - 06-13-2017, 11:28 AM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - Dill - 06-13-2017, 11:04 PM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - Dill - 06-14-2017, 01:49 AM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - Dill - 06-14-2017, 02:07 AM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - Dill - 06-13-2017, 11:08 AM
Trump stabbed to death - Vlad - 06-13-2017, 05:51 PM
RE: Holy ********* Crazy - Dill - 06-14-2017, 02:17 AM
RE: Trump stabbed to death - GMDino - 06-13-2017, 05:56 PM

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