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(06-02-2017, 09:37 AM)BmorePat87 Wrote: That's the issue with that chart. It's two dimensional but they're trying to double up on the Y axis, using it to represent social liberalism/conservatism and authoritarianism/anarchy (which I agree should replace "libertarian" at the bottom). 

Progressivism is often more authoritative because it empowers the government to enforce these regulations or laws just as conservatism empowers the government to enforce social restrictions, where as libertarianism would lean anarchy as it seeks to remove government power. 

With regards to your response to me, some libertarians embrace it in a cult like manner, obsessed with the theorists. In that sense, it may remind someone of fascism, but the very fact that they want to minimize government makes them no where near actual fascism, where the state is glorified and your life is modeled after adoration of the state. There can be nationalism within libertarianism, but they would likely argue it's a reverence of the culture not the government.

Great points.

I think what many miss in fascism is what holds up the state is its bromance with corporations. In libertarian economics (see Cato today for an example as they praise Trump's deregulation!) what happens is the reverence shifts to the corporations (or "the market") and what holds up the market is the bromance with the state. So the state gets love and corporate support by letting the corporations have carte blanche as long as the state is "first" in fascism. And the corporations gets love and state support and still get carte blanche as long as "the market" is first in libertarianism. I don't really care if "country" or "business" is at the top of the flag pole, if they are colluding to screw us all (see withdrawal from Paris accord, which I suspect libertarians to cheer) then it doesn't really matter. The suckers think a smaller government can't screw them, so they won! All a smaller government can't do is police the market! Win for the corporations, loss for the people who voted libertarian. (Except that .01 percent who own the market!)