Holy ********* Crazy

[Dill]

(06-13-2017, 11:31 AM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote:
You keep trying to change the debate.  Sadly, for you, I'm not allowing you to.  The point, which is clearly and abundantly made, is that religious extremism can only be combated by confronting it and forcing it to conform to the values of a secular society.  Now, if it refuses to do so, then its place in a society that values this, like pretty much every "western" nation, will be disruptive and will require a response.  The fact that people like you want to mitigate the extremism by coddling its perpetrators as victims of imperialism or western subjugation merely enables the problem.  The issue is really not that complex, some behavior is acceptable and some is not.  I'm not going to excuse unacceptable behavior by anyone because they think they have divine permission to act in an unacceptable manner.  You keep looking for root causes while ignoring the teachings of the religion used to validate that behavior.  Essentially you're looking at the branches and wondering how they hold the tree up.

For a while the debate was about whether someone called you a "racist" because you would malign and target a whole religion via the actions of some. You have claimed that numerous times and numerous times refused to provide an example. Let's see if that continues.

So now by avoiding the topic you raised yourself, you are not "allowing" me to "change the debate," which you've decided is about controlling religious extremism (but not other kinds apparently).  Islam has become a police matter and you are ready to "confront and force." Maybe "subjugate" is a better word. No more talk about root causes, after garbling your authoritarian history of secularization. Leaving only authoritarian options in the confrontation you imagine. So now that the issue is "not really that complex," back to defending your views in authoritarian style, with unsupported assertions about what powerful you will not "excuse."

Of course you cannot cite anyone who wants to "mitigate extremism" by "coddling its perpetrators as victims of imperialism or western subjugation."  Very likely "mitigating extremism" would turn out to be upholding those very secular values you would so violently champion.  Time to stop me from "changing the debate" again, lol, "sadly" for me. And you also have no examples of anyone "ignoring teachings"--except perhaps yourself in your selective reading and exclusion of practice.

Does understanding root causes "enable the problem"? Does reducing an entire world religion millions of peaceful followers to a violent ideology of people who only understand your force solve it? Our own foreign policy over the last 60 years might offer an answer, were you familiar with it. Not to mention the history of monotheism since Roman times.