Helsinki--the Tipping Point?

[hollodero]

(07-18-2018, 01:00 PM)Dill Wrote: Pretty sure I am not falling for it. But I am saying others have and continue to.

Oh yeah sure you don't, that came out all wrong. I wanted to say, you believe something to be important for that (for lack of a better word) Breitbart segment of Trump supporters, while I think there is no original sin Trump could commit with them. Him appearing "weak" doesn't seem to be. If you believe it is, then I think you took the argument more seriously than those who it's usually aimed for.

(07-18-2018, 01:00 PM)Dill Wrote: Who is going to pay for the wall, Hollo?

I would say Mexico, but in these times I'm not sure if Trump didn't just forget a "not". I'm also quite convinced he actually wanted to contradict Hillary being locked up.
Yeah now sure, you'll pay for it. Better start saving.

(07-18-2018, 01:00 PM)Dill Wrote: Yes, much depends on Fox. And Fox is more than Hannity, who has by far the deepest investment in Trump and, it could be argued, some direct influence over domestic and foreign policy. Horrors! 

Oh that could very well be argued. They talk multiple times a week, I've heard. I know there's more on FOX, but I doubt folks like Lou Dobbs will take a harder stance than Hannity. And the only serious journalist I know there is this Wallace guy, and him and Shepard Smith (I know way too many FOX people) won't turn the ship around. The order would have to come from above.

(07-18-2018, 01:13 PM)Dill Wrote: As some conservative journalists have come to understand, the great success--and disaster--for the Republican party has been to convince the electorate that nothing is worse than a liberal politician. That is why there is such paralysis among them--Trump is terrible, incompetent, a vulgar and mean person, a pathological liar, but who else could they possibly vote for if he is the Republican candidate?

That sounds about right. Which is quite a strong argument for not believing in any kind of tipping point. That, in my view, maybe only could happen if some of the many people who usually don't vote at all take a stance. I lost my hope in the kind of guys I mentioned before as being crucial, that doesn't seem to happen - liberal folks and their bias, hypocricy etc. already are the far bigger concern again, already these things are back to being more important than the 'overblown' Helsinki blunder that is forgotten within a week. And that someone who stuck with Trump that long would now switch sides, I cannot believe that. The trench has been dug far too deep.

(07-18-2018, 01:13 PM)Dill Wrote: Pundits still speak of how Congress is fearful of the Trump base in coming elections. But some of that base is peeling away--especially military and ex-miitary. They could swallow "strong" Trump, but not weak Trump and Putin.

Keep up the good faith.