Kavanaugh SCOTUS hearings

[Dill]

(10-08-2018, 02:44 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Yeah that can all change once we start denying folks the presumption of innocence. 

As to the matter; I'm going to consider it closed. I have the lefties on here view of presumption of innocence and I my view. I might do some case law research to see if one must go to a court of law to be presumed innocent, but maybe not.

You guys go on denying those rights. I wounder how Justice Kavs and the rest of SCOTUS would view the matter. 

And a bigot is someone that treats someone else with intolerance. Of course you don't think that applies to folks that stated Kavs  didn't deserve the presumption of innocence. 

Keeper.

It has been explained to you why presuming guilt outside of a criminal trial does not automatically deny a person basic human rights. Without at all responding to that points made in that explanation, you continue to claim, following some Fox-style talking points, that Kavanaugh's "basic human rights" have somehow been denied--and by people in this forum, no less.  Those people have done this by not "presuming" his innocence regardless of allegations against him and his own inculpatory behavior, instead supporting investigations into allegations against him to better determine whether he is innocent.

And now you are going to muddle this so called denial of rights over into "bigotry" as well.

Studying "case law" is not going to help you if you don't understand the distinction between criminal law and norms of conduct operating outside a courtroom.  The more you study the concept of rule of law, the more "leftist" it will sound to you.

Here's something to think about though. Long before he was found guilty of crimes against the U.S. Paul Manafort was denied bail and considered a flight risk.  If Manafort is "presumed innocent," how can a judge lock him up before he is convicted?  Was the judge violating his basic human rights?? http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-russia-manafort-20171106-story.html.   Yet denial of bail is something done everyday in every state of the union.

In fact, how could we ever bring anyone to trial, if presumption of innocence meant we could not present and investigate allegations?

Or if simply presenting and investigating allegations in itself were is as "denial of human rights" rather than their guarantor.