Well She was an Adult

[Dill]

(10-16-2018, 12:03 PM)hollodero Wrote: bfine32 Wrote: The hypocrisy lies with Hills being as Dill thinks he would have a similar reaction if Trump had an affair with a 22 year old intern.
It was just a week or so ago that Hills says women should be believed. Recently Lewinsky (the victim) has stated that the affair with Clinton was abuse of power. Hills quickly says "pay her no mind". This doesn't even broach the topic of her remarks directed toward the accusers of Bill
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I get that one. I might not be 100% on par with your view on Hillary, but fair enough. Question is, why does it matter. She speaks her mind and no one else's really.

I personally never took issue with Trump having an affair or Bill having an affair. Powerful men are attractive to women, some men act out on it, and if a woman decides to give into the attraction without expecting favoritism, the reveal of secrets or a career boost etc. in return, that's betwen those two if both are mentally sane adults. Is my view, which is as little representative of an entire group as Hillary's.

#metoo is about different stuff (rape, groping, blackmail, acquiring sexual favors in return for a job etc.), or at least it should be. Now it's become a "left" movement, hence up for automatic, talked up scrutiny like everhing else "left", and that is just sad. No topic seems to escape that spiral.

I wouldn't "get that one" too quickly.   What has Lewinsky actually said about her affair with Bill?

At least two things:

First, contradictorily: “Sure, my boss took advantage of me, but I will always remain firm on this point: it was a consensual relationship. Any ‘abuse’ came in the aftermath, when I was made a scapegoat in order to protect his powerful position.”

And second: "Now, at 44, I’m beginning (just beginning) to consider the implications of the power differentials that were so vast between a president and a White House intern. I’m beginning to entertain the notion that in such a circumstance the idea of consent might well be rendered moot.  ...But it’s also complicated. Very, very complicated. The dictionary definition of “consent”? “To give permission for something to happen.” And yet what did the “something” mean in this instance, given the power dynamics, his position, and my age? . . . This”(sigh) is as far as I’ve gotten in my re-evaluation;"  https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2018/02/monica-lewinsky-in-the-age-of-metoo

Part of the struggle for Lewinsky is that (as Balls reminds us above) she made the first move, wanted the relationship. Now, twenty years later after #metoo, people are encouraging her to revise her understanding of the situation, to reframe herself as victim because of the power differential between her and the President. (Before, "abuse of power" meant that the abuser required sex in exchange for something--a job, promotion, raise, whatever). She has difficulty doing this because it may place responsibility for her choice on Clinton, denying her own agency. She would have to say she wasn't accountable for her own actions, and she resists that. So while she is clear she was abused AFTER the affair, as people called her a "bimbo" and ostracized her, she is not at all clear that the affair itself was abusive.  (She is a very good writer, by the way, and presents the dilemma very well, without deciding either way.)

So if Hillary says "women are to be believed" one could easily "believe" Lewinsky and conclude no abuse of power took place, at least as far as the affair itself.  So Hillary hypocrisy, supposed to represent some generic Dem hypocrisy, is just not very clear here.  One might legitimately call her a hypocrite if she answers questions about Juanita Broderick all wrong, but again, and as you point out, that's her view as individual, and wife. Not a hypocrisy that magically radiates to all Trump opponents.

If Trump boinked an intern who showed him her thong, it's not clear people whether people would get all worked up over "abuse of power" or think it small potatoes, even with the range of "normal" deviance, given Trump's other behavior.